Zach6668 513 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Preflop: Hero is MP with A , J . 1 fold, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Button caps, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.Flop: (20 SB) 7 , A , 2 (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls.Turn: (12 BB) 8 (4 players)BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, BB calls, Hero calls.River: (16 BB) 5 (4 players)BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, BB folds, Hero calls.Final Pot: 19 BB Link to post Share on other sites
homnig 0 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Meh, you're beat but the pots too big to fold I think. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 so your thinking that co 3 bet you with a weaker ace and the button sucks to much to fold his kings or queens? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 26, 2006 Author Share Posted November 26, 2006 so your thinking that co 3 bet you with a weaker ace and the button sucks to much to fold his kings or queens?stranger things have happened.Could even be CO sucks too much to get away from his Kings or Queens, and the button may be the same... Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 so against two good players, you think you could fold that flop? or even preflop?edit: never mind preflop, you cant fold that there with that many players. Link to post Share on other sites
homnig 0 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 The pot odds have been too good the whole way to fold this at any point. Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 It's really hard to find a place to fold this. The only possibility is the river where we have to overcall, however I think we can probably win this 1 time in 18 so it's probably a decent call. Link to post Share on other sites
homnig 0 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 It's really hard to find a place to fold this. The only possibility is the river where we have to overcall, however I think we can probably win this 1 time in 18 so it's probably a decent call.Plus we might commit suicide if we fold the best hand on the river here. Factoring in that with the pot odds, you have to call this. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 you can only fold on the river (because we had odds to hit 2pair) if u're confident that button has AQ or AK. You'd have to have a super read to fold that, otherwise odds say call. Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Reads would help a little.I would be leading the flop, calling a raise, and folding the turn U/I in a situation like this much of the time. It's a better option than just closing your eyes and calling down. And I think folding the turn is likely okay, as well. Once again, depending on the player. Folding the river is most SURELY okay.Wang you can only fold on the river [/b](because we had odds to hit 2pair) if u're confident that button has AQ or AK. You'd have to have a super read to fold that, otherwise odds say call.We're drawing to 3 outs max. How do we have the odds to spike a jack? Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 flop 23:1turn: 15:1we've got odds Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 flop 23:1turn: 15:1we've got odds Whoa, I misread the potsize. I thought it was 12 bets on the river, but it was 12 on the turn (16 on the river).My apologies for the condescencion. At this point it becomes a much closer decision, but calling is profitable in position with the # of players in the pot, maybe. We're getting 15-1 on a 16(ish)-1 shot, if all 3 outs are good. This is still pretty close, because the villian only has to have a set once in a while to make calling unprofitable, even given the 2-4 bets we're apt to pick up on the river. Add in the backdoor fruuushy fruuushy outs (mitigated by the fact that the Ace on board is a spade), and this might ACTUALLY be unprofitable, depending on the players. I now call the turn (as Smash would say, "reverse tilt implied odds" if a J spikes and we're good), but go ahead and muck the river, as played. Wang Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 CO shows KK, button shows TT. MHIG. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 what's MHIG?NICE POT SIRI still think this is the optimal way to play it. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 what's MHIG?NICE POT SIRI still think this is the optimal way to play it.MHIG = my hand is good Link to post Share on other sites
CoranMoran 0 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 It seems very clear to me that Button has a pocket pair under the Ace.KK-99.What else can he play this way?And the idea of Villain calling down multiple opponents the whole way when an Ace flops is not surprising at all.CO certainly has us beat more often than not.But I find nowhere to fold this hand.And I play it exactly the same as you.--CM Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 How is overcalling the river bad?The fact that they're just calling on all streets means you're ahead of them nearly 100% of the time. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Say we're the CO and for whatever reason we played this hand exactly has he did until the river. Are we betting the river? C/c? C/f? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 28, 2006 Author Share Posted November 28, 2006 Say we're the CO and for whatever reason we played this hand exactly has he did until the river. Are we betting the river? C/c? C/f?Probably c/c, but I would be worried about the overcall this time. Link to post Share on other sites
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