Do You Call This River? (15/30)

[iggymcfly 0]

PokerStars 15/30 Hold'em (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J. Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.Flop: (9.66 SB) T, 9, Q(2 players)Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.Turn: (6.83 BB) 4(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.River: (8.83 BB) T(2 players)Hero checks, Button betsNo read, but from past sessions, I have villian at 38/12/0.9 over ~100 hands. What's everyone's "standard" play here against a relatively passive villian?

[DonkSlayer 1]

I think calling and folding the river is close. Everything else looks fine.

[CobaltBlue 662]

I'd say that calling and folding are close, but the more I look at it, the more it looks like a fold. I mean, against a passive villain, what can we beat that he bets this way? AhKh and AhJh? A really oddly played 88? The only way I think can make it a decent call is if we think he's loose enough that we can throw A9/JT/J9 into his range. Considering we've got two of Js, this makes that slightly unlikely.Best justification for calling really is meta-game...refining reads, image purposes, etc. I think we're almost always beat though.

[TB17 0]

You don't re-raise the flop? I find I have an easier decision if I 3 bet, if I get capped, I'll call turn and fold river. If he just calls, I'd B/F Turn and river would be close depending on what he does.

[CobaltBlue 662]

You don't re-raise the flop? I find I have an easier decision if I 3 bet, if I get capped, I'll call turn and fold river. If he just calls, I'd B/F Turn and river would be close depending on what he does.

You're going to bet/fold an OESD in a ginormous pot?

[TB17 0]

You're going to bet/fold an OESD in a ginormous pot?

Whoops, I meant B/C

[beans422 0]

I think 3 betting the flop is our best option here also. One: we get a better idea of what's going on in the hand and Two: we put AA and KK on the defensive and they would have a tough decision to make on the river.

[CoranMoran 0]

My view is that Button can be raising this flop with a lot of hands that we are still ahead of.Thus I 3bet for value and info.As played, I still call down the river.--cm

[iggymcfly 0]

I felt I was behind the vast majority of the time against anything that raised the flop against a capping opponent which is why I just called. Was mainly just looking to chase my OESD as cheaply as possible, and maybe showdown cheaply against an aggressive AT or JT.On the river, I felt logically like I had to lay it down, because I couldn't think of anything I was beating. Any queen, any ten, and any pocket pair 99-AA (except for the other JJ) was beating me. The only thing I could think of was maybe AK.Still though, I got that little instinctive feeling that said "it's a big pot, you have to call" and it kind of moved the mouse for me. I said to myself "this is a mistake" as I called and.......... villian turned over AsKs.Just a quick reminder that people tend to be unpredictable online and will regularly make plays that make no sense whatsoever even if their stats contradict it. So, don't try to make any big river laydowns that can cost you the pot. Also, a reminder that reads from playing with someone that day are more valuable than stats, because the fact that someone was playing tight a few days ago doesn't mean he's not on monkey tilt today.

[homnig 0]

I felt I was behind the vast majority of the time against anything that raised the flop against a capping opponent which is why I just called. Was mainly just looking to chase my OESD as cheaply as possible, and maybe showdown cheaply against an aggressive AT or JT.On the river, I felt logically like I had to lay it down, because I couldn't think of anything I was beating. Any queen, any ten, and any pocket pair 99-AA (except for the other JJ) was beating me. The only thing I could think of was maybe AK.Still though, I got that little instinctive feeling that said "it's a big pot, you have to call" and it kind of moved the mouse for me. I said to myself "this is a mistake" as I called and.......... villian turned over AsKs.Just a quick reminder that people tend to be unpredictable online and will regularly make plays that make no sense whatsoever even if their stats contradict it. So, don't try to make any big river laydowns that can cost you the pot. Also, a reminder that reads from playing with someone that day are more valuable than stats, because the fact that someone was playing tight a few days ago doesn't mean he's not on monkey tilt today.

VNH, was his Ak suited of hearts? cus that'd be a big difference than other suits.

[iggymcfly 0]

I was using "s" for spades so he had a backdoor flush draw on the flop and picked up a real flush draw on the turn. I still think the river bet's ridiculous though. I have no idea what he thought he'd get to fold.

[lordofelt 0]

I was using "s" for spades so he had a backdoor flush draw on the flop and picked up a real flush draw on the turn. I still think the river bet's ridiculous though. I have no idea what he thought he'd get to fold.

Maybe he thought he could get you to fold JJ? Almost worked now didn't it?