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[timwakefield]

Well there's no forum for this, but I've been playing it since Stars added it 2 days ago. So far they only have .25/.50 PL and NL, and .5/1 limit. I've only played the PL, but it's fun, and the play is terrible. Anyways, I haven't read any strat on this game before, but I've been beating it just fine (and I suck at cash games). Anybody else been playing this?

More discussion hopefully to follow, but I just wanted to throw this out there and see what you guys think. Here's something to get things rolling hopefully:

On Stars they have blinds, so position becomes a factor. So let's say you're on the button with 77AK4, and there are 2 limpers. The usual play is to limp and draw 3, keeping your 7s, correct? Would it be completely idiotic to draw 3 and keep your AK? Anyways, the play that I love is to raise it up and draw 2, keeping your 77A. Players will give you credit for trips, if you even get any callers.

Another really fun play (but one which you can only use once or twice at a table, and only depending on your opponents) is to pot it in position with absolute rags, and then stand pat. If nobody can beat a straight after the draw, the pot is yours probably 80-90% of the time. The reason I say with absolute rags is that it's the only way you'll get any value out of them. If you have any sort of decent hand you can draw and hope to get value by making a real hand.

[Highlow16]

The only book your gonna find on the subject is Caros section in SS. Ive read it but im not qualified to speak on the subject.

From what I remember 77 is too weak to open here.

Is the structure jacks or better to open? well i guess since its no limit or PL then you should be opening with a wider range of hands. If you raise the button and get called by the BB i wouldnt draw three here. It makes it far too obvious your only holding one pair. You would be better suited to Keed 77A and draw two, you opponent will likely assume youve got a set cause your not drawing three to a flush or straight. OR..... stand pat and scare the **** out of him when he draws, and put in a pot sized bet after the draw. But youve already mentioned how affective that is already.

Also, interesting thing i took from that section when i read it a few years ago:

If you hold a set in your hand, its better often to draw just one card. Although it decreases your chances of improving to quads, it IMPROVES your chances of improving to a full house or better. Plus it dusguises your hand, he may put you on a draw and you can value bet getting called by one pair or two.

[dreamcrusher28]

I started a thread in "ONLINE POKER" about 2-7TD and Astros asked a question about 5-CD strategy . Right under it someone provided a link to some 5-CD strat.

I'd link it here but I'm a tard with computers.

[Swift_Psycho]

I started a thread in "ONLINE POKER" about 2-7TD and Astros asked a question about 5-CD strategy . Right under it someone provided a link to some 5-CD strat.

I'd link it here but I'm a tard with computers.

http://www.readybetgo.com/poker/online-draw/

[timwakefield]

Is the structure jacks or better to open?

No it's a weird structure, they play with blinds and action just goes to the left of the bb. No minimum to open.

If you hold a set in your hand, its better often to draw just one card. Although it decreases your chances of improving to quads, it IMPROVES your chances of improving to a full house or better. Plus it dusguises your hand, he may put you on a draw and you can value bet getting called by one pair or two.

That's extrememly interesting, and I hadn't even considered that. I'm gonna go read the 5-draw section in SS, I'd forgotten that there was one.

http://www.readybetgo.com/poker/online-draw/

TYTY

[Uppie_]

Super System 1 has a draw section but i borrowed it out and never played to much 5card draw so this post is baiscally useless.

[timwakefield]

Super System 1 has a draw section but i borrowed it out and never played to much 5card draw so this post is baiscally useless.

SS2 is available free online. I don't have the link right now but I'll find it later, as I'm planning on reading the 5-draw section.

[kkot]

SS2 is available free online. I don't have the link right now but I'll find it later, as I'm planning on reading the 5-draw section.

I don't think 5 card draw is covered in SS2. It's been a while though, so I could easily be wrong.

[dreamcrusher28]

Tim, if you meant SS1 please post the link.

And yes, no 5 CD in SS2

[timwakefield]

Yeah, dammit I was wrong. Here is the link to SS2 if anybody is interested in it, but there is not a 5 draw section.

http://www.doylespokerroom.com/poker/poker_online.cfm

I lent SS to a friend months ago, I probably should get that back from him.

[kkot]

Quite a bit of the information in SS apllies only to 5 card draw with a joker. It's still definately a good read though.

[yergan]

I thought there was some discussion scattered through TOP.

Another really fun play (but one which you can only use once or twice at a table, and only depending on your opponents) is to pot it in position with absolute rags, and then stand pat. If nobody can beat a straight after the draw, the pot is yours probably 80-90% of the time. The reason I say with absolute rags is that it's the only way you'll get any value out of them. If you have any sort of decent hand you can draw and hope to get value by making a real hand.

I find that this doesnt work the first time because no-one will believe you.
I usually do it in a small pot, get called, then use it when I have a pat hand and get paid off big time.

If you hold a set in your hand, its better often to draw just one card. Although it decreases your chances of improving to quads, it IMPROVES your chances of improving to a full house or better. Plus it dusguises your hand, he may put you on a draw and you can value bet getting called by one pair or two.

People will often put you on 2 pair and call with Aces or Kings up.

[timwakefield]

People will often put you on 2 pair and call with Aces or Kings up.

This is very true, and has been working exactly like that (and many will call with less than kings up too).

[timwakefield]

For anybody else enjoying the 5cd on Stars, here's the response I got back asking when they'll spread higher limits:

We're glad to hear you like it. There will be higher limits, yes. We
don't have a timetable. As usual with new games, we will introduce them
slowly once we are sure the software is functioning correctly.

Regards,

Scott
PokerStars Support Team


Well, so this is kind of a meaningless post. Anyways, I'm still loving the PL game. The link posted earlier is quite helpful, although from what I've read he only discusses fixed-limit.

[Highlow16]

somewhere Mike Caro is smiling.

DRAW LIVES!

[timwakefield]

somewhere Mike Caro is smiling.

DRAW LIVES!

I'm beating it for, by my estimate, 30bb/100 since Stars introduced it, playing PL .25/.50, the only limit they have. Works out to about $15 an hour, which ain't bad

[Ice_W0lf]

I'm beating it for, by my estimate, 30bb/100 since Stars introduced it, playing PL .25/.50, the only limit they have. Works out to about $15 an hour, which ain't bad

I'm beating it for approx. the same.. omg these games are SOOO weak.. i've been playing the .5/1 and these games are amazingly soft, i hope the secret doesnt get out.. i'd like to thank lee jones for giving me a game that can easily increase my miniscule bankroll..

[iggymcfly]

What does it say about my ego that I've never played 5CD of any kind for money before yesterday, and I still feel like I have an edge in the 3/6 PL game. I played for an hour or so this morning and won $400 which isn't a ton, but it seemed like I was the only one at the table that would try anything even remotely tricky. I'm not talking about anything crazy, just like a C/R after the draw or an occasional simple bluff.

It seems like the hand values are something you can pick up fairly quickly and then it's just like any other big-bet poker game. I'm not planning on playing it regularly or anything, but it's fun as a change of pace.

[ahosang]

I'm beating it for approx. the same.. omg these games are SOOO weak.. i've been playing the .5/1 and these games are amazingly soft, i hope the secret doesnt get out.. i'd like to thank lee jones for giving me a game that can easily increase my miniscule bankroll..

If people keep giving out links like the one that's in this and another thread, then the bubble will burst sooner than it normally would.

Sorry man, but 5CD is a pretty simple game. It's way, way better to play live and get tells. The online games will turn into tricky players playing against each other - with the occasional fish.

Yeh, I'm enoying it after Paradise's virtual demise, but it won't last forever. Enjoy it while you can.

Limit is extremely close to being an exercise in Game Theory. The pot-limit version involves a lot more patience and can make you some big scores, but you have to be a bit clever for that(not saying anyone here can't do it).

[timwakefield]

New limits, I tried out the .50/$1 PL tonight, and made $60 over <150 hands. Dudes will call raises with flush or straight draws, and (unrelated) drawing 1 with trips is a VERY profitable play. Other players seem to either almost never bluff, or bluff practically every drawing hand they get.