timwakefield 69 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Well there's no forum for this, but I've been playing it since Stars added it 2 days ago. So far they only have .25/.50 PL and NL, and .5/1 limit. I've only played the PL, but it's fun, and the play is terrible. Anyways, I haven't read any strat on this game before, but I've been beating it just fine (and I suck at cash games). Anybody else been playing this? More discussion hopefully to follow, but I just wanted to throw this out there and see what you guys think. Here's something to get things rolling hopefully:On Stars they have blinds, so position becomes a factor. So let's say you're on the button with 77AK4, and there are 2 limpers. The usual play is to limp and draw 3, keeping your 7s, correct? Would it be completely idiotic to draw 3 and keep your AK? Anyways, the play that I love is to raise it up and draw 2, keeping your 77A. Players will give you credit for trips, if you even get any callers. Another really fun play (but one which you can only use once or twice at a table, and only depending on your opponents) is to pot it in position with absolute rags, and then stand pat. If nobody can beat a straight after the draw, the pot is yours probably 80-90% of the time. The reason I say with absolute rags is that it's the only way you'll get any value out of them. If you have any sort of decent hand you can draw and hope to get value by making a real hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Highlow16 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 The only book your gonna find on the subject is Caros section in SS. Ive read it but im not qualified to speak on the subject.From what I remember 77 is too weak to open here. Is the structure jacks or better to open? well i guess since its no limit or PL then you should be opening with a wider range of hands. If you raise the button and get called by the BB i wouldnt draw three here. It makes it far too obvious your only holding one pair. You would be better suited to Keed 77A and draw two, you opponent will likely assume youve got a set cause your not drawing three to a flush or straight. OR..... stand pat and scare the **** out of him when he draws, and put in a pot sized bet after the draw. But youve already mentioned how affective that is already.Also, interesting thing i took from that section when i read it a few years ago:If you hold a set in your hand, its better often to draw just one card. Although it decreases your chances of improving to quads, it IMPROVES your chances of improving to a full house or better. Plus it dusguises your hand, he may put you on a draw and you can value bet getting called by one pair or two. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamcrusher28 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 I started a thread in "ONLINE POKER" about 2-7TD and Astros asked a question about 5-CD strategy . Right under it someone provided a link to some 5-CD strat. I'd link it here but I'm a tard with computers. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 I started a thread in "ONLINE POKER" about 2-7TD and Astros asked a question about 5-CD strategy . Right under it someone provided a link to some 5-CD strat. I'd link it here but I'm a tard with computers. http://www.readybetgo.com/poker/online-draw/ Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 Is the structure jacks or better to open?No it's a weird structure, they play with blinds and action just goes to the left of the bb. No minimum to open.If you hold a set in your hand, its better often to draw just one card. Although it decreases your chances of improving to quads, it IMPROVES your chances of improving to a full house or better. Plus it dusguises your hand, he may put you on a draw and you can value bet getting called by one pair or two.That's extrememly interesting, and I hadn't even considered that. I'm gonna go read the 5-draw section in SS, I'd forgotten that there was one.http://www.readybetgo.com/poker/online-draw/TYTY Link to post Share on other sites
Uppie_ 0 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Super System 1 has a draw section but i borrowed it out and never played to much 5card draw so this post is baiscally useless. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 Super System 1 has a draw section but i borrowed it out and never played to much 5card draw so this post is baiscally useless.SS2 is available free online. I don't have the link right now but I'll find it later, as I'm planning on reading the 5-draw section. Link to post Share on other sites
kkot 0 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 SS2 is available free online. I don't have the link right now but I'll find it later, as I'm planning on reading the 5-draw section.I don't think 5 card draw is covered in SS2. It's been a while though, so I could easily be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamcrusher28 0 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Tim, if you meant SS1 please post the link.And yes, no 5 CD in SS2 Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted November 14, 2006 Author Share Posted November 14, 2006 Yeah, dammit I was wrong. Here is the link to SS2 if anybody is interested in it, but there is not a 5 draw section.http://www.doylespokerroom.com/poker/poker_online.cfmI lent SS to a friend months ago, I probably should get that back from him. Link to post Share on other sites
kkot 0 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Quite a bit of the information in SS apllies only to 5 card draw with a joker. It's still definately a good read though. Link to post Share on other sites
yergan 0 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 I thought there was some discussion scattered through TOP. Another really fun play (but one which you can only use once or twice at a table, and only depending on your opponents) is to pot it in position with absolute rags, and then stand pat. If nobody can beat a straight after the draw, the pot is yours probably 80-90% of the time. The reason I say with absolute rags is that it's the only way you'll get any value out of them. If you have any sort of decent hand you can draw and hope to get value by making a real hand.I find that this doesnt work the first time because no-one will believe you.I usually do it in a small pot, get called, then use it when I have a pat hand and get paid off big time.If you hold a set in your hand, its better often to draw just one card. Although it decreases your chances of improving to quads, it IMPROVES your chances of improving to a full house or better. Plus it dusguises your hand, he may put you on a draw and you can value bet getting called by one pair or two.People will often put you on 2 pair and call with Aces or Kings up. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted November 14, 2006 Author Share Posted November 14, 2006 People will often put you on 2 pair and call with Aces or Kings up.This is very true, and has been working exactly like that (and many will call with less than kings up too). Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted November 14, 2006 Author Share Posted November 14, 2006 For anybody else enjoying the 5cd on Stars, here's the response I got back asking when they'll spread higher limits:We're glad to hear you like it. There will be higher limits, yes. We don't have a timetable. As usual with new games, we will introduce them slowly once we are sure the software is functioning correctly.Regards,ScottPokerStars Support TeamWell, so this is kind of a meaningless post. Anyways, I'm still loving the PL game. The link posted earlier is quite helpful, although from what I've read he only discusses fixed-limit. Link to post Share on other sites
Highlow16 0 Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 somewhere Mike Caro is smiling. DRAW LIVES! Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted November 15, 2006 Author Share Posted November 15, 2006 somewhere Mike Caro is smiling. DRAW LIVES!I'm beating it for, by my estimate, 30bb/100 since Stars introduced it, playing PL .25/.50, the only limit they have. Works out to about $15 an hour, which ain't bad Link to post Share on other sites
Ice_W0lf 0 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I'm beating it for, by my estimate, 30bb/100 since Stars introduced it, playing PL .25/.50, the only limit they have. Works out to about $15 an hour, which ain't bad I'm beating it for approx. the same.. omg these games are SOOO weak.. i've been playing the .5/1 and these games are amazingly soft, i hope the secret doesnt get out.. i'd like to thank lee jones for giving me a game that can easily increase my miniscule bankroll.. Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 What does it say about my ego that I've never played 5CD of any kind for money before yesterday, and I still feel like I have an edge in the 3/6 PL game. I played for an hour or so this morning and won $400 which isn't a ton, but it seemed like I was the only one at the table that would try anything even remotely tricky. I'm not talking about anything crazy, just like a C/R after the draw or an occasional simple bluff. It seems like the hand values are something you can pick up fairly quickly and then it's just like any other big-bet poker game. I'm not planning on playing it regularly or anything, but it's fun as a change of pace. Link to post Share on other sites
ahosang 0 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I'm beating it for approx. the same.. omg these games are SOOO weak.. i've been playing the .5/1 and these games are amazingly soft, i hope the secret doesnt get out.. i'd like to thank lee jones for giving me a game that can easily increase my miniscule bankroll.. If people keep giving out links like the one that's in this and another thread, then the bubble will burst sooner than it normally would.Sorry man, but 5CD is a pretty simple game. It's way, way better to play live and get tells. The online games will turn into tricky players playing against each other - with the occasional fish.Yeh, I'm enoying it after Paradise's virtual demise, but it won't last forever. Enjoy it while you can.Limit is extremely close to being an exercise in Game Theory. The pot-limit version involves a lot more patience and can make you some big scores, but you have to be a bit clever for that(not saying anyone here can't do it). Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted November 18, 2006 Author Share Posted November 18, 2006 New limits, I tried out the .50/$1 PL tonight, and made $60 over <150 hands. Dudes will call raises with flush or straight draws, and (unrelated) drawing 1 with trips is a VERY profitable play. Other players seem to either almost never bluff, or bluff practically every drawing hand they get. Link to post Share on other sites
Ice_W0lf 0 Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 If people keep giving out links like the one that's in this and another thread, then the bubble will burst sooner than it normally would.Sorry man, but 5CD is a pretty simple game. It's way, way better to play live and get tells. The online games will turn into tricky players playing against each other - with the occasional fish.Yeh, I'm enoying it after Paradise's virtual demise, but it won't last forever. Enjoy it while you can.Limit is extremely close to being an exercise in Game Theory. The pot-limit version involves a lot more patience and can make you some big scores, but you have to be a bit clever for that(not saying anyone here can't do it).I realized the game wont be this easy forever... which is why i'm hitting it up now before the games become much better... just trying to add to my tiny bankroll so that i can afford more than $1 mtts.. might as well strike while its hot, since 5cd is my original game, been playing it for 15 years.... but i def get what you are saying about the games drying up soon.. i used to play it on paradise, and it was pretty much the same people cleaning up and trading money back and forth... wasnt so fun.... Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted November 19, 2006 Author Share Posted November 19, 2006 Maybe it'll dry up, but right now it is friggin great. Played a 2-hour session tonight, got cold decked a couple times and made one particularly bad read that cost me $30, still made +$55 2-tabling .50/1 PL. You guys interested in discussing specific hands? I know that this game is very read-dependent, but I'll post a couple hands:#1PokerStars Game #7082056353: 5 Card Draw Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/11/18 - 23:03:45 (ET)Table 'Aguilar' 6-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: TimWakefield ($33.70 in chips) Seat 2: undertakerfu ($208.50 in chips) Seat 3: Quillan ($32.30 in chips) Seat 4: vfwbill ($27.55 in chips) Seat 5: hada ($45.35 in chips) undertakerfu: posts small blind $0.50Quillan: posts big blind $1*** DEALING HANDS ***Dealt to TimWakefield [Ah Kd Qd Kh Kc]vfwbill: calls $1hada: folds TimWakefield: raises $3 to $4undertakerfu: folds Quillan: folds vfwbill: calls $3vfwbill: discards 1 cardTimWakefield: discards 1 card [Qd]Dealt to TimWakefield [2h]vfwbill: bets $1TimWakefield: calls $1Trying to protect myself from the re-raise by just calling. #2PokerStars Game #7082124735: 5 Card Draw Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/11/18 - 23:09:01 (ET)Table 'Aguilar' 6-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: TimWakefield ($35.65 in chips) Seat 2: undertakerfu ($215.75 in chips) Seat 3: Quillan ($32.30 in chips) Seat 4: vfwbill ($11.65 in chips) Seat 5: hada ($43.70 in chips) Seat 6: YULivin4 ($104.90 in chips) TimWakefield: posts small blind $0.50undertakerfu: posts big blind $1*** DEALING HANDS ***Dealt to TimWakefield [5d 3h Ad 2d 4d]Quillan: raises $2 to $3vfwbill: folds hada: folds YULivin4: folds TimWakefield: raises $7 to $10undertakerfu: folds Quillan: calls $7TimWakefield: stands pat Quillan: discards 1 cardTimWakefield: bets $4I definitely find it difficult knowing what to do with a pat straight or flush, especially out of position. Here I paused for awhile before standing pat, hoping he'd think I am bluffing.#3PokerStars Game #7069656823: 5 Card Draw Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/11/18 - 00:39:38 (ET)Table 'Ampella' 6-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: Top Ute ($15.95 in chips) Seat 2: TimWakefield ($103 in chips) Seat 3: dgb4AUB ($65.70 in chips) Seat 4: quinny ($95.15 in chips) Seat 6: mr.fixAA ($60 in chips) TimWakefield: posts small blind $0.50dgb4AUB: posts big blind $1mr.fixAA: posts big blind $1*** DEALING HANDS ***Dealt to TimWakefield [8d Td 7d 6s 9s]quinny: raises $3.50 to $4.50mr.fixAA: folds Top Ute: folds TimWakefield: calls $4dgb4AUB: folds TimWakefield: stands pat quinny: stands pat TimWakefield: checks quinny: bets $10.45Should I raise here before the draw, even out of position? He QUICKLY stood pat after me, can calling be +EV here?#4PokerStars Game #7082682080: 5 Card Draw Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/11/18 - 23:53:34 (ET)Table 'Himalia III' 6-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: lucianb ($114.30 in chips) Seat 3: TimWakefield ($27.45 in chips) Seat 4: undertakerfu ($118.60 in chips) Seat 5: snakeeyes03 ($69.90 in chips) Seat 6: golfingjbaby ($9.35 in chips) snakeeyes03: posts small blind $0.50golfingjbaby: posts big blind $1*** DEALING HANDS ***Dealt to TimWakefield [3c 4h 5s 6d 7c]lucianb: calls $1TimWakefield: raises $3.50 to $4.50undertakerfu: folds snakeeyes03: folds golfingjbaby: folds lucianb: calls $3.50lucianb: discards 2 cardsTimWakefield: stands pat lucianb: checks TimWakefield: checks Protecting myself from the check-raise. Will he play the hand if he doesn't make a boat? Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Definitely raise the three kings, and bet the 7-high straight. If you think the average Stars player is folding trips under any circumstances, you're sorely mistaken. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 Definitely raise the three kings, and bet the 7-high straight. If you think the average Stars player is folding trips under any circumstances, you're sorely mistaken.Yeah I think I was playing overly tight on a lot of those hands. I'm not sure if I would have gotten that much more value out of them though, and showing down a checked-straight will make everybody respect my bets when I'm stealing, if anybody's paying that much attention. Link to post Share on other sites
Uppie_ 0 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Yeah I think I was playing overly tight on a lot of those hands. I'm not sure if I would have gotten that much more value out of them though, and showing down a checked-straight will make everybody respect my bets when I'm stealing, if anybody's paying that much attention.I disagree if there a good player and paying attention they will call you more when you bet cause you checked your strong/medium hands, so instead of betting for vaule you betting to win the pot more often. Link to post Share on other sites
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