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[akishore]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) convertersaw flop|saw showdownMP1 (t1500)MP2 (t1480)MP3 (t1470)akishore (t1470)Button (t1510)SB (t1860)BB (t1500)UTG (t1500)UTG+1 (t1210)[b]Preflop: akishore is CO with [Q :heart: ], [J :heart: ]. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t80, MP1 folds, akishore calls t80.[b]Flop: (t340) [T :diamond: ], [6 :heart: ], [A :heart: ] (3 players)SB bets t200, akishore calls t210.[b]Final Pot: t2760early in the tournament, no one's been eliminated. starting stacks are 1500 with 10/20 blinds, so i limped in late position with QJs. SB raised, and i would have called anyway even if UTG+1 didn't, since i had position and a hand with strong potential to take down any big hand. UTG+1 calling was just an added bonus.flop gave me a gutshot + flush draw. SB bet out 200 into a 340 pot (a decent bet, seemed like a feeler bet mostly), UTG+1 min raised, and it was to me. i didn't want to just call and have SB call either, i really thought i would have the best chance of winning by isolating, so i made a small raise of 500 more in an attempt to make the SB fold. i was ready to committ my chips at that point, but i really wanted to see UTG+1 fold (i was hoping he either had a weak ace or was bluffing with a weak min raise as i've noticed a lot of SNG players tend to do). he raised all-in, but i was definitely ready to call.was i too aggressive? this was a key hand for me in this tournament, and i wonder if i played it right.thanks,aseem

[KDawgCometh]

I don't see the point in leaving yourself with t210 to call off the inevitable push. I say just push it. But maybe a smooth call is better. I think you want the SB in as you can get paid off better, yeah smooth call it

[akishore]

i'm not sure you want the SB to call. in a cash game, maybe, but not in a tournament. against three hands, i won't win this pot nearly as often as i will against two hands, and winning this pot is the most important thing here. i'd much rather SB fold a hand like KK or even an ace.aseemedit: you're right, i might as well have just pushed it.

[looshle]

It's way too early for that. Calling the 400 is fine, raising is pretty bad IMO. UTG came over the top of the preflop raiser, either get out or see the turn. I'd get out though.I'm putting him either 2 pair or a set, meaning he has redraw even if you happen to hit the straight or flush. You might even be drawing dead after the river.

[TheSheriff]

I like your decisions better if you have K Q .Nonetheless, pushing this flop is incorrect.Just calling the flop is giving you about 3 to 1 odds (given the SB will call 200 more) with 12 outs to more-than-likely best hand and two streets to go.I don't see why you want to get this hand heads up for a race on the flop. Induce the SB call, play the turn appropriately.

[Frills]

Think its way too early in S-n-G to be pushing.Personally I prefer to take it easy the first few rounds, let the jackasses get themselves into trouble or KO'ed, then get to work.I would have played it similar, given the situation, but I think you're better off dumping it preflop.

[ChuckSty]

i would say this is one of those hands that could go alot of different ways.i think i probably would have folded it pre-flop however i see q j suited as a good hand to go against multiple hands considering it's drawing potential so staying in my opinion isn't the worst move in the world especially maybe considering your raisers and callers might be complete suckers.regardless after the flop i would not have pushed it. i mean you are drawing to the nut straight and the 2nd nut flush which with all probability is the nut flush. At this point i think you are having to call a 400 dollar bet into a 900 dollar pot. i would just call this and try and see the turn and hit. regardless i think if you are going to push you should probably push all in. i mean why push when you are getting the odds to draw out and beat him. i wouldn't do it though. i'd wait for a better oppurtunity.occasionally i'll make a push so that i can hopefully see the river for free but early in a low buy in sng guys don't generally respond well to that move; to me early in an sng i think this guy is probalby just a lone ace with a good kicker or either a 10/a-6 (which is ridiculous but happens alot in these sngs early) or maybe a set of 6's) but regardless he's going down with the ship i think no matter what. so i'd just wait until i hit.just me

[ChuckSty]

yeah i'm not sure why you would want to chase anyone out on the flop either.if you hit you almost surely have everyone beat.

[Absolute]

I am guessing wants to get paid off on the flop with the odds he is getting.A money card for him on the turn might be scary to the villians.I can see both sides, but I prefer calling.

[Petoria]

You can't win the sng in the early rounds. The best case scenario is that you're 45% to win the hand, and you double up early. I typically won't play a hand worse than JJ until the blinds are either 20/40 or 30/60. When you push when the blinds are higher, you can utilize a blind steal method as long as your stack is about 10x the BB. You will also make more from your big hands. I wouldn't even play QJs in position early on.

[Awful]

akishore said:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) convertersaw flop|saw showdownMP1 (t1500)MP2 (t1480)MP3 (t1470)akishore (t1470)Button (t1510)SB (t1860)BB (t1500)UTG (t1500)UTG+1 (t1210)[b]Preflop: akishore is CO with [Q :heart: ], [J :heart: ].    1 fold, UTG+1 calls t80, MP1 folds, akishore calls t80.[b]Flop: (t340) [T :diamond: ], [6 :heart: ], [A :heart: ] (3 players)SB bets t200, akishore calls t210.[b]Final Pot: t2760early in the tournament, no one's been eliminated. starting stacks are 1500 with 10/20 blinds, so i limped in late position with QJs. SB raised, and i would have called anyway even if UTG+1 didn't, since i had position and a hand with strong potential to take down any big hand. UTG+1 calling was just an added bonus.flop gave me a gutshot + flush draw. SB bet out 200 into a 340 pot (a decent bet, seemed like a feeler bet mostly), UTG+1 min raised, and it was to me. i didn't want to just call and have SB call either, i really thought i would have the best chance of winning by isolating, so i made a small raise of 500 more in an attempt to make the SB fold. i was ready to committ my chips at that point, but i really wanted to see UTG+1 fold (i was hoping he either had a weak ace or was bluffing with a weak min raise as i've noticed a lot of SNG players tend to do). he raised all-in, but i was definitely ready to call.was i too aggressive? this was a key hand for me in this tournament, and i wonder if i played it right.thanks,aseem

What level SnG was this? I've only played lower levels (through 10+1 only), but at those levels, you're not semibluffing someone off top pair, you're compensated by pot odds on the strength of the draw, but these players are so weak-tight at higher blinds that you can definitely make up these chips with no risk later as long as you conserve your ammo.Limping that is cool in LP, you can snatch an orphan pot or you can make a stong hand and bust someone. Despite the strength of your draw, make it cheaply. No reason to count on a 50-50 shot for 1000 chips now when people will fold 600 in blinds 80% of the time in 30 minutes.Why wouldn't you call and go for the overcall, BTW, since you have to assume one person has an ace? You're not cleaning up Q's or J's, you won't drive out hands that can draw to a boat if you hit (in fact they will reraise) and Khxh is so unlikely that I would all but dismiss the possibility. So you've got 12 outs to the nuts. Why not invest less yourself and let the action be closed and open the door for a hand drawing dead vs. what you're trying to make to put chips in the pot?

[creepy20]

i think you were a little to aggressive, I'd just call the flop and hope to hit the turn. I'm curious to see what he had...some suggest a set of 6's..but I'm thinking a set of 10's or AK ...although if he had a set I feel he would of raised the initial SB raiser more than just the minimum raise if he had a set to protect against a flush draw...so more likely he had AK....and have to agree that there is no reason to just raise up to 900 leaving yourself with 210....if you are going to push that much...push it all.

[akishore]

thanks for all the replies.to answer the question of why i didn't want an overcall, my logic was that if i got the overcall, my chances of winning the pot decreased (this makes sense, no? i might be 45% heads-up but 35% three-way), and my biggest priority was to win the pot rather than get the correct equity. the reason i thought this was because simply calling was investing almost 1/3 of my stack. thus, i figured pushing was the best idea... i might have some fold equity, and i wanted to get heads-up. i'm still not sure i completely understand why i should go for an overcall in this situation when the pot is so massive and i am committing such a big part of my stack with just calling.this was a $5 SNG, and it was level 1 right now.the results aren't really relevant, but SB folded, UTG+1 called with A3o, and i got no help on the turn and river. i shortly busted out when i pushed with QQ as a shorstack pre-flop but was called by KK and AK.thanks,aseem

[ChuckSty]

they way i see it ist that your 35% vs. all three hands with the board as it is; but in reality you are dead if you don't hit one of your 12 outs. and if you do hit any of them i would say there is about a 95% chance that you have the absolute nuts. So i see it as you either being completely dead or the winner. I mean 35% to win but in this situation i think you are either going to beat em both or noone