8 replies to this topic

[Zach6668]

Ok, table is incredibly standard for casino play, aka awful.

EP is decent, a regular, but not one of the retarded old men. He's not ultra loose, but still relatively loose, and a bit passive. He definitely plays straight forward.

I have TT (suits irrelevant)

EP raises, I 3-bet, folds to him, and he caps, I call.

Flop 983 ish, two clubs, and I don't have one.

He leads, I raise, He 3-bets...



Any plans here? Can we find a fold?

[DonkSlayer]

I know players like this. He's passive so I think we're probably behind at this point, but let's call the 3-bet and call down if overcards don't come, and obviously raise our faces off if we spike a 10.

[Abbaddabba]

If you dont think you're ahead of his range on the flop based on his preflop cap, you probably shouldnt raise to begin with. And i cant see how you'd expect to be.

The only benefit in raising is so that you can fold when you get information that seals the deal in your mind that he has you drawing to 2 cards, so you can fold.

But the pot is too big to fold to one more bet on the flop when you do get 3bet.

[TheCinciKid]

I call the flop, b/c I never fold the flop for a single raise especially in a HU pot. It's very bad for table image purposes. I'm re-evaluating the turn though and possibly folding if I bad card comes (i.e. club, A,K etc). I probably am going to end up calling this down though.

[MrNiceGuy]

I usually fold TT (and even JJ, depending on the opponent) preflop heads-up against a passive, straightforward EP raiser, unless I know him to be a loose raiser. These types of player rarely come in raising with AQ up front, in my experience (many such players will even limp with AK).

You're behind way too often, I think, to make money by playing the hand.

[Knight_Owl]

I call the flop, b/c I never fold the flop for a single raise especially in a HU pot.

say what? so if you had KQ flop came A-x-x and it was hu you'll never fold? well obviously you just stated that

well...everyone has there own way in approaching this game.

Zach, I would either fold/call and raising is close in this spot vs. this straightforward player that im sure doesn't get out of line. < (PRE-FLOP)

As played, call the 3 flop 3 bet and fold turn if UI.

I usually fold TT (and even JJ, depending on the opponent) preflop heads-up against a passive, straightforward EP raiser,

okay, I could understand folding TT to a ep raiser, but JJ your joking right? I honestly think we needed to re evaulate pre-flop w/ TT. Against this particular villian.

[TheCinciKid]

say what? so if you had KQ flop came A-x-x and it was hu you'll never fold? well obviously you just stated that

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying, probably b/c I didn't state it clearly enough. I meant that I don't bet/fold. If I raise with KQ and the flop comes Axx and someone bets into me, I'm probably folding...though I may consider calling in a HU pot against some opponents or if it's very multiway and I've got decent backdoor draws or something.

The point that I was trying to make though is that if I've bet or raised and it's a single raise back to me, I'm never folding b/c it's horrible for table image. Even passive players will start taking shots at you and it just makes the game that much harder.

[Knight_Owl]

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying, probably b/c I didn't state it clearly enough. I meant that I don't bet/fold. If I raise with KQ and the flop comes Axx and someone bets into me, I'm probably folding...though I may consider calling in a HU pot against some opponents or if it's very multiway and I've got decent backdoor draws or something.

The point that I was trying to make though is that if I've bet or raised and it's a single raise back to me, I'm never folding b/c it's horrible for table image. Even passive players will start taking shots at you and it just makes the game that much harder.

the reality is that most players don't pay attention. enought said.

[TheCinciKid]

the reality is that most players don't pay attention. enought said.

That's very true, but this point is talked about in SSHE and I think it makes a ton of sense. Granted, most people aren't paying enough attention for it to matter, but even if they aren't very observant, they might notice this. I just think it's good policy not to fold to a single flop raise.