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[SAM_Hard8]

Rush!

[Balloon guy]

Amen

[Denny Crane]

two percs and a vic please

[socalpoker_j]

Very nice post.

[MasterLJ]

The Dems control the House and Rummy has resigned.

Tis' a good week for Freedom loving people everywhere. Now if the Senate could be maintained by the Republicans or be evenly split, then we might actually see Democracy work.

Our country sucks whenever one party gains total control. Doesn't matter who has that control.

EDIT:

Ok, I actually read the article =P.

So true. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've gotten in the argument with people that what is known as the "Republican Party" isn't even living up to their own platform... Republicans == Small Government... Recent Repubs == out of control spending.

I believe my side is worthy of victory, and I believe it's much easier to reform things that are going wrong on my side from a position of strength. Now I'm liberated from having to constantly come in here every day and try to buck up a bunch of people who don't deserve it, to try to carry the water and make excuses for people who don't deserve it. I did not want to sit here and participate, willingly, in the victory of the libs, in the victory of the Democrat Party by sabotaging my own. But now with what has happened yesterday and today, it is an entirely liberating thing. If those in our party who are going to carry the day in the future -- both in Congress and the administration -- are going to choose a different path than what most of us believe, then that's liberating. I don't say this with any animosity about anybody, and I don't mean to make this too personal.

QOTY

[brvheart]

I heard this today and said, "exactly", out loud. WTF have the republicans been doing? Screwing things up is what... and I'm not talking about Iraq... Iraq was necessary.

[poguemahone68]

I actually think the way he thinks, as expressed there, is precisely what's wrong with this country. Everyone became so polarized that they have been willing to say and do anything to protect their "side". There are some great people on both sides of the aisle and instead of working together, they/we are constantly slinging mud at the other side and covering up our own side.

This is a great nation, but if people could focus on some real issues and work together, this nation could be amazing.

I think there are a few good things Rush said today, but the whole us and them thing astounds me. Rush perpetuated that division, along with countless others on both sides.

There was a victory last night and it was to reinstate balance to our government. I would hate having the Dems have control of both the Legislative and Executive branches almost as much as what we just had. Too many one-sided agendas get pushed through and unchecked. There should be nothing less than diversity in our government as our country is diverse.

[Jeepster80125]

I actually think the way he thinks, as expressed there, is precisely what's wrong with this country. Everyone became so polarized that they have been willing to say and do anything to protect their "side". There are some great people on both sides of the aisle and instead of working together, they/we are constantly slinging mud at the other side and covering up our own side.

This is a great nation, but if people could focus on some real issues and work together, this nation could be amazing.

I think there are a few good things Rush said today, but the whole us and them thing astounds me. Rush perpetuated that division, along with countless others on both sides.

There was a victory last night and it was to reinstate balance to our government. I would hate having the Dems have control of both the Legislative and Executive branches almost as much as what we just had. Too many one-sided agendas get pushed through and unchecked. There should be nothing less than diversity in our government as our country is diverse.

I respectfully disagree with your entire post. People are polarized because of their beliefs. Idiots are polarized because they aren't smart enough to realize where they stand. I heard this on the radio as well, and I couldn't agree more.

"There are some great people on both sides of the aisle and instead of working together, they/we are constantly slinging mud at the other side and covering up our own side."
This is simply untrue. As a republican leaning independent, I completely disagree with redistribution of wealth. I work hard to make my money, and I don't like the thought of giving it away to someone or something I have no control over. I donate 10% of my income to causes that I agree with. There is no democrat or liberal that would agree with my reasoning, so how do you think we could 'work together'?

It's a nice idea, but it will never happen. You talk of one-sided agendas. That's going to happen no matter who is in office or congress.

How are those rose colored glasses?

[ShakeZuma]

I just saw the clip of Pelosi and Bush sitting together having lunch.


I've seen midget bestiality porn that didn't look as weird

[ajs510]

I just saw the clip of Pelosi and Bush sitting together having lunch.
I've seen midget bestiality porn that didn't look as weird

Link?

[WrongWay]

People are polarized because the parties are always seeking to "energize their base". Politicians aren't interested compromise. They are interested in winning at all costs. Whatever it takes to win, they're willing to say it, do it, be it.

It is the same mentality that got us into the situation we are no in with Iraq. Bush was willing to say anything, do anything to justify the invasion. Once Sadam was out of power, again, no compromise. We said that every Sadam official was out. All the existing police were fired. All the exisiting power structure was gone. Bush would accept no compromise. The new Iraq would be exactly what he envisioned... nothing but complete victory...no compromise.

He couldn't work with people. He had to destroy them.


As for where the Republicans went wrong? They had to pay off all the people that got them into office. Big contracts for new planes we don't need, new ships we don't need. Payoffs to pharmasutical companies. Payoffs to the lawyers in the form of no tort reform. Payoffs to the bankers. Payoffs to the telcoms. Etc. Payoffs to the rich in the form of tax cuts, without corresponding spending cuts.


And, while they are still the party speaking of smaller govt, they just don't want to come out and admit that Bush Sr and Clinton already slashed almost all of the fat.

80% of the federal budget goes to defense, VA, Social Security, medicare, medicaide, and interest on the debt. Most of the rest goes to roads, courts/jails, employment, agriculture....

There really isn't anywhere to cut without slicing into defense or social security.



As for the Dems... Tuesday was about unhappiness with Iraq. If they push to hard on the Liberal agenda, then they won't be in power for more than 2 or 4 years.

And his "never stop teaching"? Puuuhhhhlease.

We don't vote for people that have tought us what we should want. We vote for people that are going to give us what we want.... and mostly what we want is change. Something different from what we have. This is why we get the ebb and flow. It isn't because the conservatives stopped teaching.

The Republicans promised more than they could deliver, and they didn't deliver. So, they are out. We'll go with the Dems until they fail to deliver... when they can't deliver the impossible, they'll be out.

[poguemahone68]

I respectfully disagree with your entire post. People are polarized because of their beliefs.

Apparently you didn't read what Rush was saying and that was mainly what I was speaking to. He was saying that he continued to support thngs that he didn't believe in because he could not take a stand against his party. He stayed with his party even when doing so conflicted with his own personal beliefs. I'm sorry, but that's not my definition of taking a stand and having convictions.

Idiots are polarized because they aren't smart enough to realize where they stand. I heard this on the radio as well, and I couldn't agree more.

Typo above, I'm assuming? Also, I couldn't disagree more with this statement, sans typo. Remember the whole flip/flopping thing the republicans kept chanting about Kerry a few years back? If Bush were a Democrat, those same Republicans would be saying Bush flip/flopped on keeping Rumsfeld in his position. Truth is, Bush wisely changed his mind as things progressed. People aren't born with opinions. Intelligent people can change their stance on something and more than once too. I don't feel I'm an idiot if I change my mind based on new information about something.

"There are some great people on both sides of the aisle and instead of working together, they/we are constantly slinging mud at the other side and covering up our own side."
This is simply untrue. As a republican leaning independent, I completely disagree with redistribution of wealth. I work hard to make my money, and I don't like the thought of giving it away to someone or something I have no control over. I donate 10% of my income to causes that I agree with. There is no democrat or liberal that would agree with my reasoning, so how do you think we could 'work together'?

Stating that what I said was "untrue", is simply untrue. It may not be your belief, but that doesn't mean it's untrue. How can you say that our government isn't constantly slinging mud and covering up for each other, based on party affiliations?

Also to say there are no democrats or liberals who would agree with you is a generalization that proves my point. It's all or nothing thinking that's getting us deeper in this mess. So, you don't think people can work together? Guess what, we have to, period. It's kind of sickening to hear the rich of this country continuously whine about unfairness.

What the hell do you know about my fiscal beliefs? I don't recall telling you. Oh that's right, party line again. Polarization. Redistribution of wealth? I know a lot of people who are liberal that believe in fairness and compromise. Do you think it's fair for someone who makes $1,000,000 a year to pay $10,000 in taxes and someone who makes $50,000 a year to pay $15,000 in taxes? Fairness, compromise and working together is what we need, not more greed and corruption from both sides.

It's a nice idea, but it will never happen. You talk of one-sided agendas. That's going to happen no matter who is in office or congress.

Of course people will continue to push their agendas, but there also has been a lot of bi-partisan work done over the years and yeah, my rose colored glasses tell me we can do more. It's a shame people such as yourself believe otherwise.

How are those rose colored glasses?

Yeah, you're right, thank you for helping me see the light. It's all hopeless and I'm just gonna pick a side and defend them to the bitter end. The bitter end is when all your wealth is in the hands of poor crackheads. Go, Hillary, Go!!!

[SilentSnow]

Well Im glad to see that Rush is being a little more sensible than usual. When Limbaugh criticizes the Republicans, then you can be absolutely sure that they have done a bad job.

But this after-the-fact revisionism does not increase his credibility. If you want to be credible, you have to stand up for principles, not a particular party or group of people. He had to be saying this sort of stuff before the election for his opinion to matter. If you never stand up for principles against the party you are a member of, then you are too compromised for your opinion to matter. Changing his stance after the elections just makes him look like an opportunist, not someone to look to for guidance.

If he wants real credibility, then start identifying specific republican policies that are wrong and criticize those who are advocating them. Unless he does this to a much greater extent, he will still just be another one of the many partisan ideologues.

[brvheart]

Well Im glad to see that Rush is being a little more sensible than usual. When Limbaugh criticizes the Republicans, then you can be absolutely sure that they have done a bad job.

But this after-the-fact revisionism does not increase his credibility. If you want to be credible, you have to stand up for principles, not a particular party or group of people. He had to be saying this sort of stuff before the election for his opinion to matter. If you never stand up for principles against the party you are a member of, then you are too compromised for your opinion to matter. Changing his stance after the elections just makes him look like an opportunist, not someone to look to for guidance.

If he wants real credibility, then start identifying specific republican policies that are wrong and criticize those who are advocating them. Unless he does this to a much greater extent, he will still just be another one of the many partisan ideologues.

This is the problem with Democrats/socialists like yourself. You don't pay attention to anything but you're own ideas. Rush has been saying this for a solid 2 years. People (and by people, I mean democrats that just believe what other democrats are saying without investigation) hear the name 'Rush Limbaugh' and just assume he's saying that all poor people should be killed and their skins made into drinking glasses for the richest 1%.

It would do you a world of good to actually listen to his show... at least once.

[aadams_22]

Rush!

Ahhhhh, Rush Limbaugh. He is ranked right up there with Bill O'Reilly as America's biggest blow hard.

[SilentSnow]

This is the problem with Democrats/socialists like yourself. You don't pay attention to anything but you're own ideas. Rush has been saying this for a solid 2 years. People (and by people, I mean democrats that just believe what other democrats are saying without investigation) hear the name 'Rush Limbaugh' and just assume he's saying that all poor people should be killed and their skins made into drinking glasses for the richest 1%.

It would do you a world of good to actually listen to his show... at least once.

I have listened to his show multiple times and been to his website. Every time, I was appalled at his baseless allegations, extreme anti-liberal bias, selective choice of facts often bordering on outright lies, and complete contempt for anyone he disagreed with.

Admittedly, I havent paid much attention in the last couple years since I figured he would be unlikely to deviate from what he had been doing for well over a decade.

Maybe I'll visit his website a little more often now, but if there is anyone who has earned the distrust of those in favor of reasonable political discourse, it is him. If he is actually changing somewhat, then I'll believe it when I see it.

By the way, I am not a democrat. I have no loyalty at all to any political party, only to what I see as the truth.
The reason I tend to mostly criticize the Republicans is because they have had most of the political power the last few years and have consistently made poor decisions.

[aadams_22]

I have listened to his show multiple times and been to his website. Every time, I was appalled at his baseless allegations, extreme anti-liberal bias, selective choice of facts often bordering on outright lies, and complete contempt for anyone he disagreed with.

QFT

[brvheart]

I have listened to his show multiple times and been to his website. Every time, I was appalled at his baseless allegations, extreme anti-liberal bias, selective choice of facts often bordering on outright lies, and complete contempt for anyone he disagreed with.

Admittedly, I havent paid much attention in the last couple years since I figured he would be unlikely to deviate from what he had been doing for well over a decade.

Maybe I'll visit his website a little more often now, but if there is anyone who has earned the distrust of those in favor of reasonable political discourse, it is him. If he is actually changing somewhat, then I'll believe it when I see it.

By the way, I am not a democrat. I have no loyalty at all to any political party, only to what I see as the truth.
The reason I tend to mostly criticize the Republicans is because they have had most of the political power the last few years and have consistently made poor decisions.

That's why I gave you a /socialist.

QFT

Exhibit A

[poguemahone68]

This is the problem with Democrats/socialists like yourself. You don't pay attention to anything but you're own ideas. Rush has been saying this for a solid 2 years. People (and by people, I mean democrats that just believe what other democrats are saying without investigation) hear the name 'Rush Limbaugh' and just assume he's saying that all poor people should be killed and their skins made into drinking glasses for the richest 1%.

It would do you a world of good to actually listen to his show... at least once.

Sounds like you're the one not paying attention. Read the transcript of what Sam posted and Silentsnow's comment are 100% valid. Rush states he kept his mouth shut becuase he couldn't go against his team, he's relieved he doesn't have to now.

[aadams_22]

That's why I gave you a /socialist.
Exhibit A

Exhibit A of what?....pointing out the obvious?

If you really sat down and listened to Rush's radio show you will find out, in about 10 minutes mind you, that everything that SilentSnow said about Rush is 100% true.