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[DanielNegreanu]

Date Limit Hours ResultFeb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500Mar 30 2000-4000 5.5 + 25,300Apr 9 100-200 NL 1.5 + 1,200Apr 15 2000-4000 3 + 78,000Apr 16 4000-8000 6 +120,000April 29 80-160 5 + 5,200May 1 40-80 1 + 1,400May 4 80-160 .5 + 700Oct 10 5-10 NL 1.5 + 3,700Oct 19 4000-8000 8 - 4,000Oct 20 400-800 1 + 1,600Oct 20 2000-4000 1 - 25,100Oct 20 4000-8000 10.5 - 127,000Oct 22 2000-4000 5 +165,500Oct 26 2000-4000 13 + 8,500Oct 28 2000-4000 5.5 - 105,500Oct 30 2000-4000 6 + 128,500Nov 2 300-600 NL 8 - 214,400Nov 3 300-600 NL 8 - 447,100Nov 4 300-600 NL 8 + 347,400Nov 16 2000-4000 10 + 207,500Dec 14 2000-4000 5 - 142,000Dec 14 4000-8000 13 + 148,000Dec 19 300-600 0.5 - 3,900Dec 19 400-800 1 + 10,500Dec 21 2000-4000 4 + 24,000Totals 192 + 313,100Hourly Rate= $1630.73PROPS: -$81,000

[ddudley]

DanielNegreanu said:

Date Limit Hours ResultFeb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500Totals 61.5 +105,100Hourly Rate= $1708.94

I was just reading Phil Gordon's book and it said that you 4K/8K players may only be trying to make 1/10 to 1/4 of a big bet per hour. Would you say that's about accurate over the long haul?

[Swift_Psycho]

Meh, seems like an alright hourly rate.

[DanielNegreanu]

It's actually low but it's only after 61 hours. I think the best players in that game should hope to make a big bet an hour despite what Sklansky seems to think. :roll:

[ahosang]

Those figures are a joke. Everybody on the net makes more by 400-tabling the $3/$6 game at Party.

[ChkDeezNuts]

DanielNegreanu said:

Date         Limit               Hours   ResultFeb 6       1500-3000   7             +45,600Feb 21    4000-8000   8            -251,000Feb 22    4000-8000   8            -190,000Feb 26    4000-8000   5           +598,000Mar 1      4000-8000   31          -114,000Mar 18   2000-4000   2.5        +  16,500Totals                               61.5     +105,100Hourly Rate= $1708.94

:shock: Peanuts.....I guess you don't have the stomach to play in my Saturday Night Home Games....Give me a call when you move up in limits.......BTW Daniel, thank you for turning me on to Triple Draw....It just might be the end of my mental health.

[ddudley]

ahosang said:

Those figures are a joke. Everybody on the net makes more by 400-tabling the $3/$6 game at Party.

What figures are you talking about?

[ahosang]

ddudley said:

ahosang said:

Those figures are a joke. Everybody on the net makes more by 400-tabling the $3/$6 game at Party.

What figures are you talking about?

Daniel's figures. I was joking......

[RonBurgundy]

i just wanna let u know its really cool you are posting this stuff DN, since all we fans get is hearsay. it would be cool if you posted like who was the big winner for each session in the big game too.

[DanielNegreanu]

No, that I won't do. I don't mind sharing my results with you all but it would be very innappropriate of me to divulge others results.

[Solodell]

Daniel, just wondering if you're gonna make it a point to play more cash games when the new Casino opens up(or if you have some kinda time goals you have to play for the casino). Any other of the big game players gonna play there, or will it probably just be you?

[BigDMcGee]

Daniel already pays enough in taxes from his Tourniments!

[FloppyNuts]

DanielNegreanu said:

Date Limit Hours ResultFeb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500Totals 61.5 +105,100Hourly Rate= $1708.94

Granted, the sample size is too small, but dividing this data into limits, you get:1500-3000 $6,514.29/hr.2000-4000 $6,600.00/hr.4000-8000 $826.92/hr. Playing in the biggest game just looks like a bad idea: You're risking too much to win too little, whereas you can risk less and win more in the slightly smaller games. Anyway, I guess it's not always about money.

[dtemp]

Daniel, I realize you may not be able to do this due to privacy concerns, but it would be great if you could post a sample hand or two from every session. I really enjoyed reading that Omaha hand in a past journal (even if Gus' play was a little bewildering). Thanks

[Random Fluke]

DanielNegreanu said:

Totals                               61.5     +105,100Hourly Rate= $1708.94

Hmmm, I wonder what your hourly earn is for tournaments, would be an interesting comparison.

[Frills]

Stay to 5-7 hour sessions, when you go 8+ you lose, but I'm guessing you knew that already

[Marcstar]

It would be cool if you listed your PokerMountain results as well. Although it will bring down your hourly rate .

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Frills said:

Stay to 5-7 hour sessions, when you go 8+ you lose, but I'm guessing you knew that already  :)

I think he only plays 8+ hours because he's already stuck. I and most poker players have been known to do that from time to time as well.

[yeffy]

FloppyNuts said:

Granted, the sample size is too small, but dividing this data into limits, you get:1500-3000     $6,514.29/hr.2000-4000     $6,600.00/hr.4000-8000     $826.92/hr.  Playing in the biggest game just looks like a bad idea:  You're risking too much to win too little, whereas you can risk less and win more in the slightly smaller games.  Anyway, I guess it's not always about money.

The thing is this is the same game. There is rarely a 2000-4000 game running next to a 4000-8000 game if ever. It's all the "big game" they drop the stakes to accomodate some players at times.

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Frills   Posted:    Stay to 5-7 hour sessions, when you go 8+ you lose, but I'm guessing you knew that already

He's told us about the longest of the sessions, and he was stuck over a mil at one point. I have a feeling the losing sessions are longer for that reason....he's stuck and trying to get even.