Questionable Turn Play With Three-card Wrap..?

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

FTR Converter didn't work for Full Tilt, sorry..Villain is an okay player, but nothing exciting, Hero thinks he's got a sizeable edge--and he's probably right. Hero's got a fairly TAG/straightforward table image and villain is beginning to play a lot of pots with big stack.Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha Seat 5: villain ($301.85)Seat 6: Hero ($143.80)Hero is deal [Th Kc Ac Kd]UTG foldsVillain calls $1Hero raises to $4.50Two foldsRandom dude calls $3.50Villain calls $3.50*** FLOP *** [Qs 7h Jc]Randomdude checksVillain checksHero bets $6random foldsVillain raises to $19Hero calls $13This is where I think the hero made a mistake. I think if we're going to play this pot, we should re-raise the flop and get as much in now as possible. A blanked turn and we're hating ourselves, no? The villain could be playing a hand like QJXX KTXX, and set or even a hand like T9XX. He's pretty unpredictable but leaning on the donk-side. Anyone disagree with re-raising here? *** TURN *** [Qs 7h Jc] [5h]Villain 14 bets $52Hero raises to $120.30, and is all inThis is where I thought it got really bad..We've got AKT with no real other draws on a board with now two hearts where we could very well be walking into a set. Aside from that, Hero's only getting 2-1 to call with his 8 outs. I think it's a pretty obvious fold, no? If we're going to play it, we have to push, I think, but, I really don't think he's donktastic enough that he folds for ~68, getting almost 4-1 on his call to our push. The hero disagreed with me on just about every point of this, and I'm curious what you all think..let me know.Results below..Villain calls $68.30Hero shows [Th Kc Ac Kd]Villain shows [Ks Jh Jd 2d]*** RIVER *** [Qs 7h Jc 5h] [3c]Hero shows a pair of KingsVillain shows three of a kind, JacksVillain wins the pot ($289.60) with three of a kind, Jacks*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $292.60 | Rake $3Board: [Qs 7h Jc 5h 3c]

[BudBundy 0]

Actually it highly depends on your style.There are two ways to play this hand;1)We pot and re-pot flop trying to fold any two pairs or draws and counting on our 12 outs.2)We see a cheap turn and fold UI.I don't think any of these plays are wrong.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Actually it highly depends on your style.There are two ways to play this hand;1)We pot and re-pot flop trying to fold any two pairs or draws and counting on our 12 outs.2)We see a cheap turn and fold UI.I don't think any of these plays are wrong.

I thought the ideal line was to check/call the flop, fold to a potbet on a bricked turn, myself, but, I understand your point.

[davezz5 0]

I think the hero covered the main points pretty well. If you do re-raise on the flop, then he re-raise's what then. The semi-bluff aspect has been negated by his agression, you're gonna have to make your hand. And your still gonna hate a blanked turn.Definite fold on the turn. You would want the pot to offer about 4.5/1 to make this a winning play.

[bassplayer45459 0]

I like a raise on this flop here, it is not a scary board, you are most likely only going to get re-raised by top set, or middle set...so by re-raising the flop, you are essentially giving yourself a huge hand to hit on the turn, or a free card on the turn when your opponent most likely checks the turn if he does not fill up or make his straight. If you get re-raised a gain, i think you can dump it?

[Whiskey16 1]

I don't like putting the money in on the turn there. At these levels, I think check raises typically mean something strong. I don't see a lot of check raises unless it's people protecting sets on draw heavy boards. On the flop, we're looking at about 12 out without considering a backdoor flush draw.At that point, if all the 12 outs are clean, and with raising preflop, if we re-raise, we've got some fold equity, but with two other players to the flop, I've got to think at least 3-4 of our outs are dead. At best, we're 48%, so if we want our money in with a coin flip, I re-pot the flop, and get the money in.Once we call and whiff on the turn, and the villain bets out heavy, I think we're done. We're likely drawing 25% at the very very best, and I don't think there's enough fold equity in our push to get the villain out of the pot, after he's made two shows of strengh, and we might even be looking at a split pot if one of our outs come.I think we can find way better places to get our money in than on this turn.