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[finztotheleft]

Its my first time....be gentle boys

Turn villian was approx 30/15/2 after 50 hands




Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
8 players
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Pre-flop: (8 players) hero is MP1 with
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, 4 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (13.5SB, 4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, hero bets, MP2 calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (8.75BB, 4 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (12.75BB, 4 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, hero calls, MP2 folds.

Results:
Final pot: 14.75BB

[antistuff]

i fold the turn.

converting tips -

set the format to ftr


now youll get ouput like a:heart: for the suits. you have to put a space between the a and the :heart.

[BudBundy]

I fold turn as well.

He donk bets into a 4 way pot.

What did you put him on a pair of 7s or pocket 9s?

[Actuary]

I fold the turn.
I don't like the overcall, especially when not closing the action.

The times no one has an Ace are rare here (given the pf and flop action), certainly not worth calling 2 BB's. Furthermore, you have a flush draw and other overs to avoid.

Even with villains aggresive pf stats, the AF=2 is nothing crazy.

This looks like a good game.

[TheCinciKid]

UTG played this hand quite oddly. His turn donk-bet makes very little sense. Maybe he turned a set? Yeah, that's probably most likely. I probably do one of two things here. 1) I call down like you did b/c his play confuses me so much I just want the info. 2) I raise the turn and fold to a 3-bet; this might also buy a free showdown if the villain just calls. The disadvantage here is that just calling both streets costs the same amount and we get all the way to showdown so option one is probably best. In other words, I think you played it fine.

*edit*

After reading replies, I get some clue as to why I'm losing at online LHE lately, I may be calling down too much? I want to stress that I'm probably only calling down for info here and like others said folding the turn is probably best. Also, I've been playing a lot of shorthanded lately, so I'm probably approaching this hand as if it were a heads-up pot. In short, pretty much disregard my post above.

[finztotheleft]

Cinci.....I know that I call down too much and lose a bunch of cash because of it.

That's exactly why I asked the question. I feel like I call when I'm beat and fold when they were bluffing. You know when you catch a few bluffers and then start not giving anyone credit ?

When I can find juicy tables, I can still manage to come out ahead, so I have been careless. With the US crackdown, I went back to Fulltilt (with tighter tables) and have been getting my a$$ handed to me. Now I know it's time for me to adjust. I needed to know at what point everyone would admit defeat.

This is actually a hand I won. Villian had a busted flush draw. I was shocked to see the chips coming to me....which is what convinced me I need to change some things. It's not that I thought I was ahead, I was just praying I was.
....and I was curious to see what the heck he had.

I'll try to figure out the FTR thingy next.

Thanks for not busting on the 2/4 hand in micro...I play .5/1 to 2/4, so I'm still micro for the most part.

Thanks for the feedback !

[TheCinciKid]

Thinking about this hand a little bit more. The turn gaybet by UTG is incredibly confusing and while this may feel like an auto-fold to some, I'm not entirely sure it is. With KK I think this is a much easier calldown. With TT it's less certain b/c there's already been one turn caller and our hand is pretty vulnerable even if we are ahead. With KK or even QQ I think I call this down. With TT it's probably still a fold, but I feel like it may be closer than some of you might think.

[Actuary]

Thinking about this hand a little bit more.

you should stop that.


overcalling and not closing on the turn is pretty bad.
we are behind (or will lose) much more than 6:1, which is about the effective odds to see showdown.

[RISEorFall]

overcalling and not closing on the turn is pretty bad.

this is the biggest reason to fold. how often do you overcall a river with 2nd pair and a player still to act?

we have very little room to improve and lots of cards to dodge that could beat our hand if were not already beaten.

if this were HU a calldown wouldnt be so bad, but with atleast one other caller inbetween and possibly another behind us its not close.

[TheCinciKid]

this is the biggest reason to fold. how often do you overcall a river with 2nd pair and a player still to act?

we have very little room to improve and lots of cards to dodge that could beat our hand if were not already beaten.

if this were HU a calldown wouldnt be so bad, but with atleast one other caller inbetween and possibly another behind us its not close.

Yeah, both of you are correct. I do think a calldown would probably be ok here though if we are either 1) heads-up or 2) have a hand like KK as opposed to TT.

[Actuary]

Yeah, both of you are correct. I do think a calldown would probably be ok here though if we are either 1) heads-up or 2) have a hand like KK as opposed to TT.

werd.

given aggressors stats, especially

[CoranMoran]

With an UTG raiser, UTG+1 cold calling, and MP cold calling 3bets, I assume that there is at least 1 Ace out there.

When an Ace flops and our bet is called by all three opponents, I am sure of it.

I have no intention on spending any more bets in this hand.
I expect to check and then fold.

So when a funky bet gets placed ahead of me, it just makes my decision that much easier.

You have to fold this turn.

--cm