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[tskillz187]

Ultimate Bet 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with 7:heart:, 8:heart:. UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Hero checks.Flop: (3.50 SB) 6:heart:, K:heart:, 4:diamond: (4 players)Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.Turn: (3.25 BB) 4:club: (4 players)Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.River: (6.25 BB) 2:club: (4 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls.Final Pot: 8.25 BBI feel like I should be betting this with 12 outs, on the flush draw and gutshot, just wanted advice as to how everyone else plays the hand?

[KDawgCometh]

looks fine

[tskillz187]

what if it was just the flush draw?

[Vade]

Looks good to meYou bet the flop and the turn with a good draw

[rollito]

looks ok to me....why bet the river.... at least the guy in last position showed he was ready to call at least one bet

[tskillz187]

I didn't bet the river i check/folded it when i missed my draws, would it still be correct to bet this hand out from early position without the gutshot draw though?

[dms26]

tskillz187 said:

I didn't bet the river i check/folded it when i missed my draws, would it still be correct to bet this hand out from early position without the gutshot draw though?

There is nothing wrong with betting out a flush draw on the flop, it gives you information as well as building a pot. If you get raised you know the person at least has top pair, but more likely 2 pair or a set. So if the board pairs you can jump ship instead of drawing to a flush that isn't any good.I'll even raise sometimes with a draw to the nut flush, this sometimes gives you a free card if you miss on the turn and wish to check. Just be careful about better flush's out there, you're really better off hitting the straight.

[rollito]

tskillz187 said:

I didn't bet the river i check/folded it when i missed my draws, would it still be correct to bet this hand out from early position without the gutshot draw though?

your subject said check or bet......what i meant was to answer that......why would you bet and you just answered that.....i guess i thought thats what you were asking

[tskillz187]

rollito said:

tskillz187 said:

I didn't bet the river i check/folded it when i missed my draws, would it still be correct to bet this hand out from early position without the gutshot draw though?

your subject said check or bet......what i meant was to answer that......why would you bet and you just answered that.....i guess i thought thats what you were asking

oh, i got what you said now, i thought you were inquiring why i bet the river by how you typed it.

[akishore]

you played it perfectly.aseem

[wrto4556]

Why does everyone think betting the turn is good?It's not for value, you have no fold equity. So why are we doing it? If you were in position, it would be alot easier, a turn raise sucks...especially in a pot this small, it's not worth getting over aggressive with.Check/call the turn. Check/fold the river.

[Absolute]

Betting the turn here isn't good.[Edit: im sorry for being redundant wrto beat me to it]

[akishore]

wrto4556 said:

Why does everyone think betting the turn is good?It's not for value, you have no fold equity. So why are we doing it? If you were in position, it would be alot easier, a turn raise sucks...especially in a pot this small, it's not worth getting over aggressive with.Check/call the turn. Check/fold the river.

i retract my former post "you played it perfectly". wrto is right, check/call the turn, you no longer have an equity edge.aseem

[tskillz187]

hmmmm... some more replies to betting the turn would be nice, I didn't even think about it, I thought it was an obvious bet once I led out on flop.

[tskillz187]

alright, well you three all seem like solid limit players so i will hafta believe you, thanks a lot for that, will surely plug a leak in my game

[akishore]

tskillz187 said:

hmmmm... some more replies to betting the turn would be nice, I didn't even think about it, I thought it was an obvious bet once I led out on flop.

the flop bet is correct because you have what we call an "equity edge".with 12 outs, you will win this hand at showdown almost 50% of the time (not sure exactly what percentage). since there are two others in the hand, you are putting in only 33% of the money. so, you expect to win the hand more than the fair share of money you are putting in.this doesn't apply on the turn anymore, since there is only card to come. you are now roughly 25% to win it. now you have a negative equity edge, so betting is unprofitable. check the turn, and if someone bets, calling is still correct because of pot odds.you likely have no fold equity on the turn, so you can't really bet in an attempt to steal the pot. since the bet isn't for value, don't bet the turn.aseem