What Do You Think

[crocd99 0]

PokerStars Game #6848274428: Tournament #34619079, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (800/1600) - 2006/10/31 - 23:47:32 (ET)Table '34619079 56' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: houschster (69137 in chips) Seat 2: betgo (18844 in chips) Seat 3: crocd99 (65882 in chips) Seat 5: urfinito (62292 in chips) Seat 6: clevelandohd (59221 in chips) houschster: posts the ante 75betgo: posts the ante 75crocd99: posts the ante 75urfinito: posts the ante 75clevelandohd: posts the ante 75crocd99: posts small blind 800urfinito: posts big blind 1600*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to crocd99 [8c 9c]clevelandohd: raises 2400 to 4000houschster: folds betgo: folds crocd99: calls 3200urfinito: calls 2400*** FLOP *** [Qc Jc 5c]crocd99: checks urfinito: checks clevelandohd: bets 9600crocd99: raises 16000 to 25600urfinito: calls 25600clevelandohd: folds *** TURN *** [Qc Jc 5c] [7d]crocd99: bets 36207 and is all-inurfinito: calls 32617 and is all-in*** RIVER *** [Qc Jc 5c 7d] [9h]crocd99 said, "ten of clubsg"*** SHOW DOWN ***crocd99: shows [8c 9c] (a flush, Queen high)urfinito: shows [6c Ac] (a flush, Ace high)urfinito collected 138409 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 138409 | Rake 0 Board [Qc Jc 5c 7d 9h]Seat 1: houschster folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: betgo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: crocd99 (small blind) showed [8c 9c] and lost with a flush, Queen highSeat 5: urfinito (big blind) showed [6c Ac] and won (138409) with a flush, Ace highSeat 6: clevelandohd folded on the Flopi called the flop bet because i had taken a bunch of chips off this guy by just calling his pf raise and betting the flop. picked up about 20k just doing that. any way on the flop what do you think here. i pushed the turn because i figured the one guy for just the ace. either that or he flopped what he did. he usually just pushed his big hands on the flop so i figured he probably just had the ace of clubs.

[Briguy 0]

You done been coolered. Convert, please.

[mk 11]

i actually really hate the c/r on the flop. why do you want to let them off so easily? the fact that you were actually coolered is irrelevant.

[simo_8ball 1]

Convert hand. Don't post results. Hit the 10c next time.

[Fade2241 0]

I'm getting it all in here. Why are you even posting this? It's an easy hand to play...

[Actuary 3]

You played it horribly

[simo_8ball 1]

You played it horribly

You know when you go into a book shop, you read the blurb on the back of a book and think 'that's interesting. I'd like to read more about this'?I'm thinking the same sort of thing here.

[Actuary 3]

crocd99: calls 3200crocd99: raises 16000 to 25600crocd99: bets 36207 and is all-incrocd99: shows [8c 9c] (a flush, Queen high)urfinito: shows [6c Ac] (a flush, Ace high)Seat 5: urfinito (big blind) showed [6c Ac] and won (138409) with a flush, Ace highany questions?

[simo_8ball 1]

any questions?

Many.1) Would you fold preflop?2) Would you prefer leading the flop?3) Having checked the flop would you prefer calling to raising?4) Having raised the flop, would you prefer checking the turn?5) Would you prefer value betting the turn to pushing?(My answers are no, no, no, no, and no)

[Actuary 3]

Many.1) Would you fold preflop?2) Would you prefer leading the flop?3) Having checked the flop would you prefer calling to raising?4) Having raised the flop, would you prefer checking the turn?5) Would you prefer value betting the turn to pushing?(My answers are no, no, no, no, and no)

Raise preflop to push out the BB and isolate the pfr.

[simo_8ball 1]

Raise preflop to push out the BB and isolate the pfr.

Que?

[Actuary 3]

Que?

then we'd have the better FlushNot too big of a raise though, because we don't want the EP raiser to fold

[simo_8ball 1]

I'm being a little slow today. I get it now.

[Fade2241 0]

then we'd have the better FlushNot too big of a raise though, because we don't want the EP raiser to fold

Interesting line - I like it!

[shpaget 0]

Calling pf is questionable, but not terrible....oop, with only one guy in, I likely fold.So...you've been calling this guy's raises preflop, and stealing from him by leading, and now you flop a flush and you don't lead out?So, you lead out when you have garbage, and you check with a monster - duly noted.Next...you check the flop, because????....You want to give a guy with the naked Ac a free card? Good strategy.Oh...you expect the preflop raiser to put in a cb....this same preflop raiser who you've been leading into previously, and now you suspiciuosly check.So, dude doesnt' get suspicious and he puts in a 3/4 pot bet, and you check raise to almost a pot-sized bet, and then the BB (someone we haven't thought about yet, who also checked, who could have almost any two cards) smooth calls 25k (half his stack) into a 45k pot.And you conclude he's drawing to the nut flush? That's a poor call if he is.Forget about a made ace-high flush.This guy could have Tc2c, and that's all he needs to beat you. There are 19 hands that beat you...and as the BB, calling 2400 into a 9600 pot, he could have any of them.Can anyone get away from this...perhaps not...but there are better approaches to this hand that A) don't give anyone a free draw to the nut flush, and B) perhaps could give you an indication you are beat.Regardless, even if it is inconceivable to fold this hand at any point, it wasn't played well.

[rog 0]

Raise preflop to push out the BB and isolate the pfr.

Did I miss the SW, or are you on crack? You're not seriously suggesting we re-raise to isolate with 9 high on the off chance that we may hit our flush, and that players behind may be drawing to a better flush (which they may fold to a re-raise preflop) are you?

[Actuary 3]

Did I miss the SW, or are you on crack? You're not seriously suggesting we re-raise to isolate with 9 high

beats losing 65,882 chips.We can then check'n'fold the flop if BB calls preflop

[trystero 0]

Come on y'all you should know Actuary by now.I mean, he's the most results-oriented poster on this forum. Why would his analysis here shock you?

[simo_8ball 1]

Here's a hint:

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[Actuary 3]