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[goheels]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t8225)
Hero (t18670)
MP2 (t14905)
CO (t9260)
Button (t4250)
SB (t9230)
BB (t3720)
UTG (t5605)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, 7.
2 folds, Hero raises to t450, 4 folds, BB raises to t3720, Hero ???



The villian has been pretty quiet til this point and I have a very aggressive image.

[shpaget]

Fold without batting an eye.

[trystero]

We're either slightly ahead or huge dogs (ok, to be fair we're a good deal ahead of A2-A6 and flipping vs 22-66). Now we could call if the pot were large enough and it wasn't much to call, but this one just isn't it. We've committed practically nothing. Fold.

[gobears]

Insta-fold

[HijackedAffairs]

Fold. Don't think twice.

[Actuary]

We've committed practically nothing.

how is that relevant?
What if BB had 600 chips, and shoved?



the pot odds say fold fast

[trystero]

how is that relevant?
What if BB had 600 chips, and shoved?

the pot odds say fold fast

Don't you know that those are your chips?

[WrongWay]

Raising with A7s from early middle? No way.... Fold before butting anything in this pot.

Now, WAY fold.

[Actuary]

Don't you know that those are your chips?

?????

[trystero]

Raising with A7s from early middle? No way.... Fold before butting anything in this pot.

Now, WAY fold.

With his big stack raising is acceptable.

[Actuary]

Raising with A7s from early middle? No way.... Fold before butting anything in this pot.

Now, WAY fold.

in real money games, the preflop raise is quite fine.

online poker is not rigged.

[WrongWay]

in real money games, the preflop raise is quite fine.

With A7s from early middle? I've read a lot of poker books, (okay, I'm only on my 3rd) but I've yet to find one that recommends a raise with A7s from early middle position.






I never said online poker is rigged. I said it could be rigged, and I said that I found one site where at least some of the play-money games are rigged. And I now play at a site where I do not think the play money sites are rigged.

And, I'm not putting any money into online poker, because even if it isn't rigged, there are a bazillion players that are way better than me that are waiting to take my money.

What does any of that have to do with this thread?

With his big stack raising is acceptable.

Ahhhh... that is what I missed. He has more than twice as many chips as anyone else.... Okay, makes sense now. Keep the preasure on knowing they could lose all their chips on any hand.

Someone willing to play back at the big stack makes this all the more of a fold. yes?

[Actuary]

With A7s from early middle?


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What does any of that have to do with this thread?

all of your opinions are tainted by the fact you are irrational.
I just want to remind others.

what we do here with As7s with our stack.blind ratio is immaterial, really.



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Someone willing to play back at the big stack makes this all the more of a fold. yes?

yep.

[WrongWay]

all of your opinions are tainted by the fact you are irrational.

Suck mine.

[Actuary]

Suck mine.

I'm going to pretend you didn't say that.

you have 30 minutes to edit your post.

go.

[IQCrash]

Meh. Even playing big stack poker when you're deep, I just don't see raising with A7s from E/MP - too many people left to act behind you. I don't like the pf raise at all. If you were in the hijack, CO, or Button it's an easy raise. From your position, it's an easy fold.

Anyway, fold to the shove. Not even close.

[trystero]

I'm going to pretend you didn't say that.

you have 30 minutes to edit your post.

go.

You can't pretend he didn't say that, though, if you've got his quote nested in your post. Love starts with you, Sir.

[goheels]

Ok, so clearly this thread is not getting much good discussion going. I actually wasn't invovled in this hand. I was railing a friend of mine in the 100r and it came up with a very well known player.

Is this kind of play that seperates the KWOB's of the world from everyone else, or is he just a luckbox that makes bad decisions but wins every race?

PokerStars Game #6842193965: Tournament #34619044, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/10/31 - 15:28:33 (ET)
Table '34619044 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DAJ6666 (8225 in chips)
Seat 2: kwob20 (18670 in chips)
Seat 4: RandALLin (14905 in chips)
Seat 5: karecon (9260 in chips)
Seat 6: jochen8 (4250 in chips)
Seat 7: FrozenVeins (9230 in chips)
Seat 8: ZULEH (3720 in chips)
Seat 9: jpa_25 (5605 in chips)
FrozenVeins: posts small blind 75
ZULEH: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
jpa_25: folds
DAJ6666: folds
kwob20: raises 300 to 450
RandALLin: folds
karecon: folds
jochen8: folds
FrozenVeins: folds
ZULEH: raises 3270 to 3720 and is all-in
kwob20: calls 3270
*** FLOP *** [Jh As 6s]
*** TURN *** [Jh As 6s] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [Jh As 6s 2c] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ZULEH: shows [4s 4d] (a pair of Fours)
kwob20: shows [7d Ad] (a pair of Aces)
kwob20 collected 7515 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7515 | Rake 0
Board [Jh As 6s 2c Qc]
Seat 1: DAJ6666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: kwob20 showed [7d Ad] and won (7515) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: RandALLin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: karecon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jochen8 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: FrozenVeins (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ZULEH (big blind) showed [4s 4d] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 9: jpa_25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[trystero]

Now we know why ActionJeff went off the other day about Kwob.

[IQCrash]

Meh. He's just running well. I hate the call, I hate the raise. I hate that sort of player (probably because I just can't effectively play lagtard).