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#1 goheels

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 12:43 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG+1 (t8225)Hero (t18670)MP2 (t14905)CO (t9260)Button (t4250)SB (t9230)BB (t3720)UTG (t5605)Preflop: Hero is MP1 with APosted Image, 7Posted Image. 2 folds, Hero raises to t450, 4 folds, BB raises to t3720, Hero ???The villian has been pretty quiet til this point and I have a very aggressive image.

#2 shpaget

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 12:52 PM

Fold without batting an eye.
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#3 trystero

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 12:55 PM

We're either slightly ahead or huge dogs (ok, to be fair we're a good deal ahead of A2-A6 and flipping vs 22-66). Now we could call if the pot were large enough and it wasn't much to call, but this one just isn't it. We've committed practically nothing. Fold.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:06 PM

Insta-fold
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#5 HijackedAffairs

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:36 PM

Fold. Don't think twice.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:41 PM

View Posttrystero, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 12:55 PM, said:

We've committed practically nothing.
how is that relevant?What if BB had 600 chips, and shoved?:Dthe pot odds say fold fast

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:55 PM

View PostActuary, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 4:41 PM, said:

how is that relevant?What if BB had 600 chips, and shoved?:Dthe pot odds say fold fast
Don't you know that those are your chips?

#8 WrongWay

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:02 PM

Raising with A7s from early middle? No way.... Fold before butting anything in this pot.Now, WAY fold.
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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:02 PM

View Posttrystero, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 1:55 PM, said:

Don't you know that those are your chips?
????? :club:

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:04 PM

View PostWrongWay, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 5:02 PM, said:

Raising with A7s from early middle? No way.... Fold before butting anything in this pot.Now, WAY fold.
With his big stack raising is acceptable.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:04 PM

View PostWrongWay, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 2:02 PM, said:

Raising with A7s from early middle? No way.... Fold before butting anything in this pot.Now, WAY fold.
in real money games, the preflop raise is quite fine.online poker is not rigged.

#12 WrongWay

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:21 PM

View PostActuary, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 3:04 PM, said:

in real money games, the preflop raise is quite fine.
With A7s from early middle? I've read a lot of poker books, (okay, I'm only on my 3rd) but I've yet to find one that recommends a raise with A7s from early middle position.I never said online poker is rigged. I said it could be rigged, and I said that I found one site where at least some of the play-money games are rigged. And I now play at a site where I do not think the play money sites are rigged.And, I'm not putting any money into online poker, because even if it isn't rigged, there are a bazillion players that are way better than me that are waiting to take my money.What does any of that have to do with this thread?

View Posttrystero, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 3:04 PM, said:

With his big stack raising is acceptable.
Ahhhh... that is what I missed. He has more than twice as many chips as anyone else.... Okay, makes sense now. Keep the preasure on knowing they could lose all their chips on any hand.Someone willing to play back at the big stack makes this all the more of a fold. yes?
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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:22 PM

View PostWrongWay, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 2:11 PM, said:

With A7s from early middle? ************What does any of that have to do with this thread?
all of your opinions are tainted by the fact you are irrational.I just want to remind others.what we do here with As7s with our stack.blind ratio is immaterial, really.**************8

View PostWrongWay, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 2:21 PM, said:

Someone willing to play back at the big stack makes this all the more of a fold. yes?
yep.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:23 PM

View PostActuary, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 3:22 PM, said:

all of your opinions are tainted by the fact you are irrational.
Suck mine.
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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:43 PM

View PostWrongWay, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 2:23 PM, said:

Suck mine.
I'm going to pretend you didn't say that.you have 30 minutes to edit your post.go.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:47 PM

Meh. Even playing big stack poker when you're deep, I just don't see raising with A7s from E/MP - too many people left to act behind you. I don't like the pf raise at all. If you were in the hijack, CO, or Button it's an easy raise. From your position, it's an easy fold.Anyway, fold to the shove. Not even close.

#17 trystero

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:51 PM

View PostActuary, on Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 5:43 PM, said:

I'm going to pretend you didn't say that.you have 30 minutes to edit your post.go.
You can't pretend he didn't say that, though, if you've got his quote nested in your post. Love starts with you, Sir.

#18 goheels

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 03:04 PM

Ok, so clearly this thread is not getting much good discussion going. I actually wasn't invovled in this hand. I was railing a friend of mine in the 100r and it came up with a very well known player. Is this kind of play that seperates the KWOB's of the world from everyone else, or is he just a luckbox that makes bad decisions but wins every race?PokerStars Game #6842193965: Tournament #34619044, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/10/31 - 15:28:33 (ET)Table '34619044 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: DAJ6666 (8225 in chips) Seat 2: kwob20 (18670 in chips) Seat 4: RandALLin (14905 in chips) Seat 5: karecon (9260 in chips) Seat 6: jochen8 (4250 in chips) Seat 7: FrozenVeins (9230 in chips) Seat 8: ZULEH (3720 in chips) Seat 9: jpa_25 (5605 in chips) FrozenVeins: posts small blind 75ZULEH: posts big blind 150*** HOLE CARDS ***jpa_25: folds DAJ6666: folds kwob20: raises 300 to 450RandALLin: folds karecon: folds jochen8: folds FrozenVeins: folds ZULEH: raises 3270 to 3720 and is all-inkwob20: calls 3270*** FLOP *** [Jh As 6s]*** TURN *** [Jh As 6s] [2c]*** RIVER *** [Jh As 6s 2c] [Qc]*** SHOW DOWN ***ZULEH: shows [4s 4d] (a pair of Fours)kwob20: shows [7d Ad] (a pair of Aces)kwob20 collected 7515 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 7515 | Rake 0 Board [Jh As 6s 2c Qc]Seat 1: DAJ6666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: kwob20 showed [7d Ad] and won (7515) with a pair of AcesSeat 4: RandALLin folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: karecon folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: jochen8 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: FrozenVeins (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: ZULEH (big blind) showed [4s 4d] and lost with a pair of FoursSeat 9: jpa_25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

#19 trystero

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 03:06 PM

Now we know why ActionJeff went off the other day about Kwob.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 03:07 PM

Meh. He's just running well. I hate the call, I hate the raise. I hate that sort of player (probably because I just can't effectively play lagtard).




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