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[woutoR]

Argh what do I hav with da Kingkongs , obviously need help again if I played this good PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: woutorrrr is MP2 with K:club:, K:spade:. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, woutorrrr raises, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.Famous KK I cap da preflop with allot callersFlop: (29 SB) 2:heart:, 9:spade:, 7:spade: (7 players)SB checks, UTG bets, woutorrrr calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls.The flop, I c a flush draw. I raise the original better and get reraised by him so I decide to call it and not to cap it ( a good decision or weak ? )Turn: (22 BB) 4:spade: (5 players)SB checks, UTG bets, woutorrrr calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls.The flush is made, I get bet at by the same guy making me think he maiby hits hit set on the flop or made his flush and I decide to call ( anouther weak play? )River: (27 BB) 5:heart: (5 players)SB checks, UTG checks, woutorrrr checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.His last check makes me think he is looking for a c/r so I decide to check hereFinal Pot: 27 BB

[wrto4556]

Cap the flop, raise the turn, bet the river.You have the K which makes this hand really easy to play.

[NormanHaupt]

wrto4556 said:

Cap the flop, raise the turn, bet the river.You have the K which makes this hand really easy to play.

Yup, makes the world of difference.Their flush, turns into your left nut flush draw. Fear not.Worry if an Ace fell more. Be happier if it were the ace of the 3 flush.

[woutoR]

I lost by a set off deuces, if I would have capped flop/turn/river woudnt I just be overplaying mine pocket kings?

[rollito]

you can't put him on a set of deuces there.....you have to play that hand more aggressivley because you have the K .....especially on the turn even if someone made the flush or hit a set in this case you have outs to the second nut flush...but in a lot of cases your hand is good with that board unimproved....you should have capped the flop and raised the turn and be the river....the river bet especially because the guys in front of you checked....i think that they would not be trying for a check raise in most cases and you should be betting for value....although you lost the hand your hand was strong and got stronger on the turn so you should have bete it stronger

[Absolute]

I like just calling the three-bet on the flop.Definitely raise the turn with the K

[KDawgCometh]

Absolute said:

I like just calling the three-bet on the flop.Definitely raise the turn with the K

uggghhh. weak tight IMO. You capped PF. So many players put people on AK so I see no problem in capping this flop and then raising the turn. It sets up for either a freee showdown or maybe firing a bet at the river that may make him fold. Not every player will stay in a pot because it is big

[Absolute]

good pointyou bitch

[Vade]

woutoR said:

I lost by a set off deuces, if I would have capped flop/turn/river woudnt I just be overplaying mine pocket kings?

You wouldn't be overplaying it. Unfortunately, the dueces were going nowhere unless 4 spades fell

[wrto4556]

it would be overplaying it if you capped the turn, IMO. Just raise and call a 3-bet, then call/bet the river.

[akishore]

wait!i honestly think you should just call the flop and then raise the turn.for those with SSHE, see the example on page 163.here, the pot is extremely large on the flop--EXTREMELY large--so you want to make chasing a draw unprofitable.if you're raising and capping on the flop, it's not unprofitable for any draw at all since the pot is so big that even when it's capped they're getting the right pot odds. so, you call the flop and raise the turn to protect your hand, because now the betting limits have doubled, the pot isn't too much bigger, and people have to call two bets cold to draw. it's a lose-lose situation for chasers if the turn doesn't help them. in this case, when the turn comes a spade completing a flush, check/calling is the best play in such a multiway pot because almost always you are beaten here, so you draw to the second-nut-flush and try to see a cheap showdown.aseem

[akishore]

to quote miller:"some people disagree with this advice to wait for the turn to raise in huge pots. they argue that the kings have an edge in pot equity, and therefore raising the flop is profitable. they are correct; the kings make money on every additional flop raise. but we argue that, while raising the flop is profitable, waiting for the turn is more profitable. sometimes you should forgo a small edge on the flop if doing so allows you to exploit a bigger edge on the turn. raising the turn is hugely profitable in this hand, more so than getting only a single bet in. you should risk that immediate flop profit to maximize your chance to raise successfully on fourth street. (even if you fail to get players to fold, waiting until the turn to raise will usually mean a bigger pot when you win it.)"here, the pot is extremely large, and you have a very vulnerable hand, so your primary objective is to protect it. by raising and capping when everyone in this 104-way pot is calling, you are NOT protecting your hand.aseem

[looshle]

damn that table was loose

[wrto4556]

Good call, aseem.I always forget that one.call the flop, raise the turn.smart!

[akishore]

wrto4556 said:

Good call, aseem.I always forget that one.call the flop, raise the turn.smart!

that example blew me away the first time i read it. it was like a slap in the face. i think i almost heard eddie miller say, "aseem, you are a dumbass who plays terrible post-flop poker. get the hell out of my face, you make me sick, you fish!" never in a million years without reading SSHE would i have ever guessed that raising the flop is not a good play.aseem

[woutoR]

thx aseem 8)

[Rocketwadster]

Playing at limits such as these will not help anyone in their strategy or in analyzing their play. You may as well be using play money, as nobody cares about the nickels and dimes. Tables like this are ridiculous.Looshle says the obvious - the table was loose. Of course it was at those limits.Not to offend, but everything about this post was a waste of time, simply due to the table you were at. Try playing at least a $0.25/0.50 table, as most people show at least some sort of restraint with their quarters as opposed to their nickles.

[allinbluff35]

Rocketwadster said:

Playing at limits such as these will not help anyone in their strategy or in analyzing their play.  You may as well be using play money, as nobody cares about the nickels and dimes.  Tables like this are ridiculous.Looshle says the obvious - the table was loose.  Of course it was at those limits.Not to offend, but everything about this post was a waste of time, simply due to the table you were at.  Try playing at least a $0.25/0.50 table, as most people show at least some sort of restraint with their quarters as opposed to their nickles.

that bold part I highlighted sums up your post to this topic and mine

[Absolute]

and mine!