Fish Hooks Preflop Raise

[No_Neck 0]

Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.509 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $48.75UTG+1: $51.55MP1: $91.15MP2: $94.25MP3: $96.10CO: $2.70Button: $6.95SB: $31.80Hero: $44.90Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with J J 2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.5, MP2 raises to $3, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero raises to $10, MP2 is a 33/1.67/13 after 30 hands and MP1 is a 29/4.38/9 after 178 Mp1 is very aggressive but haven't seen anything to crazy.

[Cotac 0]

Usually I don't like making a third raise with the Jacks but considering how weak the first re-raise was I think it's the right move. It'll be pretty tough to play the hand if MP2 calls your raise.

[simo_8ball 1]

Yeah, I like how you played this, although I could make a good argument for just calling.

[Royal_Tour 0]

don't like it.you're getting called and you're beat

[DonkSlayer 1]

Creative. Not something to do consistently but not a bad move in a long session with familiar players.

[AcesOnFire 0]

don't like it.you're getting called and you're beat

After a little bit of thinking I have to agree.

[No_Neck 0]

After a little bit of thinking I have to agree.

so what happens when I call there are babies on the flop do I check fold because they might have AA or KK?

don't like it.you're getting called and you're beat

I don't see how you can tell we are beat. There had only been one raise and one min raise.He could be doing this with anything IMO

[Royal_Tour 0]

so what happens when I call there are babies on the flop do I check fold because they might have AA or KK?I don't see how you can tell we are beat. There had only been one raise and one min raise.He could be doing this with anything IMO

So is this an attempt to steal the pot preflop?we need good reads on our opponentsexplain to me your strategy if you're called?I assume you fold to a large preflop re-raise.are you willing to invest all your chips post flop?*calling their bets, flop brings all lower cards, you can gather info on the flop.but, does a player with QQ flat call your raise preflop, or do they re-raise?what about making a raise to 10, almost 1/4 of your current stack and flop brings a K, or A ? checked to you, do you bet it?

[No_Neck 0]

So is this an attempt to steal the pot preflop?we need good reads on our opponentsexplain to me your strategy if you're called?I assume you fold to a large preflop re-raise.are you willing to invest all your chips post flop?*calling their bets, flop brings all lower cards, you can gather info on the flop.but, does a player with QQ flat call your raise preflop, or do they re-raise?what about making a raise to 10, almost 1/4 of your current stack and flop brings a K, or A ? checked to you, do you bet it?

that is the thing I think if one of them has AA - QQ there will be another raise and I can easily dump it, if they call I probably have the best hand. If I was called, and the flop is baby cards. I will bet/fold. I think bigger hand will reraise here a lot.And no this isn't my normal line but I like to change things up every once in a while.

[Royal_Tour 0]

that is the thing I think if one of them has AA - QQ there will be another raise and I can easily dump it, if they call I probably have the best hand. If I was called, and the flop is baby cards. I will bet/fold. I think bigger hand will reraise here a lot.And no this isn't my normal line but I like to change things up every once in a while.

I know, but the thing i dont like is that You're 1st to act, and post flop if its all "baby cards", what size lead out do you make?the pot will be over 20 with a flat call, and you have 34 in your stack.you're pretty much push or fold. you cant bet 15 and fold for 19 more.

[No_Neck 0]

I know, but the thing i dont like is that You're 1st to act, and post flop if its all "baby cards", what size lead out do you make?the pot will be over 20 with a flat call, and you have 34 in your stack.you're pretty much push or fold. you cant bet 15 and fold for 19 more.

you make a good point. maybe a smaller raise? I really think smooth calling is a mistake.

[Royal_Tour 0]

you make a good point. maybe a smaller raise? I really think smooth calling is a mistake.

Well, thats the beauty of NL. Jacks are a biznatch to play in certain situations.lets see, a smooth call is another 2.50 assuming MP1 doesnt re-raise.we invested 3.00 an easy amount to get away from if over cards hit.if all under cards hit we can lead out for pot. if MP2 comes over the top of this, our instincts should tell us that he's actually got something.If we raise preflop, whats correct, and what isnt?Is a min raise to 6 here stupid? we hear it often, min raises are stupid, but does that change if its the 3rd raise as 1st to act post flop?so we raise to 6, MP1 folds, MP2 pushes, easy fold. if MP2 calls. Now we assume jacks are good.if we raise to 10 and we get called. there isnt a good bet we can lead out for that wont commit us to the pot.So with that being said, If you do decide to make a raise to 10 and you get called. I would push right away as long as the board looks safe.If you honestly think your jacks are good, (meaning you assume you're against an underpair and / or A,x) Then I'd go ahead with the raise.If you have no idea, sometimes a smooth call is the smart play.

[No_Neck 0]

anywho it really didn't matter because MP1 pushed and then MP2 called and I got the information I needed and I mucked.BTW AA and KK. LOL

[Royal_Tour 0]

anywho it really didn't matter because MP1 pushed and then MP2 called and I got the information I needed and I mucked.BTW AA and KK. LOL

I'm curious to know who had what?If i'm MP2 and you raise to 10, and MP1 pushes, I fold MP2 with KK. (unless MP2 had AA).and thats cuz i'm anti-nevrfoldKKpreflop and i'l continue to quest to prove how its ok.

[Mattnxtc 0]

i really dont expect a kk to fold in this spot especially at 50nl...as somebody else said earlier...jacks are a ***** to play. If you feel you can take the pot down with the raise to 10 its a decent play, but generally against a raise and a reraise you are probably a 50/50 at best. my personal preference is that against a this time of situation if i can get in cheap to try to hit a set against overs i would prefer doing that

[No_Neck 0]

i really dont expect a kk to fold in this spot especially at 50nl...as somebody else said earlier...jacks are a ***** to play. If you feel you can take the pot down with the raise to 10 its a decent play, but generally against a raise and a reraise you are probably a 50/50 at best. my personal preference is that against a this time of situation if i can get in cheap to try to hit a set against overs i would prefer doing that

you don't think this is too weak against two aggressive opponents?MP2 had KK MP1 had AA

[Mattnxtc 0]

you don't think this is too weak against two aggressive opponents?MP2 had KK MP1 had AA

eh against aggressive opponents its my preference to punish them with strong hands. When you do flop that set against them ur are stacking them. The problem with people like the villians is that they are willing to make very marginal to bad calls. So you are going into a hand against a wide range of hands. Yes thats good in the sense that you can punish them with strong hands. I just dont feel jacks should be played the same way that you play aces and kings and to some extent queens

[fckthis 0]

Dont like 3 betting preflop OOP, so if your called, playing the flop is going to be pretty hard. Flat calling IMO here is the best play.

[kes1981 0]

I like the raise PF, but you need to make it bigger. I haven't checked stacks (if everyone has a fullstack), but I would fold to a push. I think calling is horrible bc even if the flop is unders are you really going to call the whole way. Don't turn a premium hand into 2-2.