Tough Hand For Omaha Newb

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PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Preflop: Hero is Button with K , J , J , Q . UTG raises, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) 5 , J , 6 (4 players)BB checks, UTG bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG caps, MP calls, Hero calls.Turn: (10.25 BB) Q (3 players)UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls $1.75 (All-In).River: (13.12 BB) A (3 players, 1 all-in)UTG bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 15.12 BB

[Wingman008 0]

I like it....course I could be wrong.

[rwood 0]

um, does anyone else fold this PF?your hand is a pretty weak holding to be playing for mulitiple bets preflop. and you're a huge dog to any A2xx soooted. the way it was played though, just call river.

[bdc30 0]

um, does anyone else fold this PF?your hand is a pretty weak holding to be playing for mulitiple bets preflop. and you're a huge dog to any A2xx soooted. the way it was played though, just call river.

It wouldn't be "super" wrong to fold it pf, but the call isn't terrible either.No hand is a "huge dog" to many others in O8, and even though this is a high-only hand, there's always gonna be a high pot, but there won't alwaysbe a low. He needs to hit the flop pretty hard to continue, but it's not bad.After the PF call, everything else looks ok.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

I usually need one more caller before me before I make this pre-flop call, but after that I play it the same.

[EurekaKid 0]

Seems pretty good to me, you got the opportunity to three bet the flop and you took it. Had it been bet and called in front I might have flat called, and then raised on a safe turn card.

[antistuff 0]

what part were you thinking you might have played differently?

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what part were you thinking you might have played differently?

As I said in the title, I am pretty bad at omaha8o/b. Since the flop is so draw heavy I wondered if it was better to wait for a safe turn to raise. I can't have that much equity with two cards to come. I figured since it was a big pot I should raise, but I am very new to this game so I was not sure.

[handsfactor 0]

That's a tough board to flop top set against, especially at that limit, as people will chase the low draw, and the flush draw, no matter what odds they are getting. This exact situation is covered in the Omaha Eight-or-Better section of SS2. And Baldwin basically says you can play it either way correctly. Taken from Super System 2 pg. 321-322"(4) Cards like 3-6-J with two clubs can be a problem flop in Omaha eight-or-better. There are two low cards with a flush draw present, providing a number of draws. If you hold a hand such as J-J-Q-K with this board, your prospects are uncertain. Although you hold the current nuts, you are vulnerable from a number of different directions. In fact, if a low club comes on the turn, you may have to fold your hand. Therefore, with boards like the one above, you might want to wiat until after the turn card comes before betting the hand aggresively. Also, if you catch a good card, you may gain extra action by not telegraphing your hand on the flop. Raising might be correct though, if the player to your immediate right is the bettor. A raise might succeed in eliminating some of the draws posing a threat to your hand, thus enhancing your chances of winning. You won't eliminate the nut flush draw or a low straight draw such as A-4-5, but you might induce smaller flush draws to fold, enabling your hand to hold up as long as none of your opponents was drawing to the nut flush."

[predator06 0]

I hate limit for this reason because you can't control odds. You will have a low draw call as well as a flush draw call and someone may also have a str8 draw too. You definately are not a favorite on the flop, but I probably check call until the board paired or a safe card came to give you the most likely high hand. You need to hope to split and pray to scoop.

[Wintermute 0]

Standard--you could call on the flop to disguise and lay for a turn raise, but I don't see much of a difference between the two lines in minbet O8.To rwood, this is definitely playable PF. Only hands like JJA2 and KKQJ are dominating this hand--its the perfect hand to play against something like A29T or A2TJ, even AAxx has a tough time playing against JJQK postflop in the hands of a reasonable player.If you're genuinely worried about playing JJQK vs. A2xx then something is fundamentally wrong with your understanding of O8... JJQK v. say A234 is never a problem, because you're getting away postflop virtually all the time you are in trouble. The only potential problem is a flop of J45, and even then you easily have odds to draw to a full, or to hope you catch running straight or running high bricks.

[Fritzmania 0]

I don't believe you should be 3-betting this flop. Supersystem gives some good advice on the subject.You are jamming into a flop in which you will be beaten on the turn by 8 diamonds (not including the 6), three 2's, three 4's and three 7's, putting you up against 17 outs twice. It is generally prudent strategy to not jam into pots in which you only have or likely have a shot at half the pot at best. Now had the flop been 2-7-J with 2 of one suit, then I might advocate jamming, as one of the draws is not present. But jamming into a pot with multiple draws against you is chip spewage, unless you are using that to create a loose image for later.And as far as the hand selection goes, I don't mind calling 2 bets with this hand at all.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

There are some discussions about playing set on the flop here. The case here is quite different though.I will fold preflop.Call the raise on the flop.Bet the turn.Call the river.