What do people think of the call? Even if he's on the steal I suspect, he still has overcard outs. At the time I figured the payout structure and him maybe having a 2 justified the call but now idk.
Thoughts?
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33 Facing Big-stack Push On Flop Of Qq2 Near Bubble
Started by TightLikeA..., Oct 21 2006 01:15 PM
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Posted 21 October 2006 - 01:15 PM
About 100 people entered in a $30+3. I am 6th with about 8k in BB, approx. 25 people left. SB has me outchipped and raises 400 to 600 pf. I call and he pushes the QQ2 flop. I call, he shows JJ and I am out.
What do people think of the call? Even if he's on the steal I suspect, he still has overcard outs. At the time I figured the payout structure and him maybe having a 2 justified the call but now idk. Thoughts?
What do people think of the call? Even if he's on the steal I suspect, he still has overcard outs. At the time I figured the payout structure and him maybe having a 2 justified the call but now idk.
Thoughts?
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Posted 21 October 2006 - 01:25 PM
QUOTE (TightLikeA... @ Saturday, October 21st, 2006, 4:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
About 100 people entered in a $30+3. I am 6th with about 8k in BB, approx. 25 people left. SB has me outchipped and raises 400 to 600 pf. I call and he pushes the QQ2 flop. I call, he shows JJ and I am out.
What do people think of the call? Even if he's on the steal I suspect, he still has overcard outs. At the time I figured the payout structure and him maybe having a 2 justified the call but now idk. Thoughts?
What do people think of the call? Even if he's on the steal I suspect, he still has overcard outs. At the time I figured the payout structure and him maybe having a 2 justified the call but now idk.
Thoughts?The call preflop and post flop are so bad that even I wouldn't make them.
OK, PF maybe once in a while if he's been stealing a lot and I'm feeling lucky and have been drinking. If you are in 6th, you can dent his stack pretty badly, so he's not pushing there without a Q, a 3 (unlikely) or a high pair.
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Posted 21 October 2006 - 02:25 PM
your post is like asking an acomplished novelist "there is a line that says 'the rivers dock' what do you think of this poem?"
save the hand histories. convert them. post them here and don't post results.
save the hand histories. convert them. post them here and don't post results.
if you're not playing the notes in front of you it's not mozart.
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Posted 22 October 2006 - 01:12 AM
Please don't post results.
The PF call is acceptable - especially B vs B. Once the flop comes down and you miss your set, and SB is still pushing really hard - why in the world are you risking your tournament on the second smallest pair when you are in fine chip position holding at 6th? Terrible post-flop call.
The PF call is acceptable - especially B vs B. Once the flop comes down and you miss your set, and SB is still pushing really hard - why in the world are you risking your tournament on the second smallest pair when you are in fine chip position holding at 6th? Terrible post-flop call.
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Posted 22 October 2006 - 05:52 AM
Many players like to call pushes on paired boards with small pocket pairs. Good news is you recognize that your call is pretty bad. Here's why - on most boards, you are AT MOST a 3-2 favorite (against overcards, because your small pair can be counterfeited). On this board you could be a bigger favorite because of the small chance villain has A2. But that's a small chance - he's likely either got cards higher than your 3 or a bigger pocket pair.
So the best case (likely) scenario is a 3-2 favorite, and the alternative is that you're crushed, drawing to 2 outs, a 9-1 underdog. Think of it as calling an all-in pf with A2s (without the odds, obviously). You wouldn't do that, right? Because at best villain is pushing broadway so you are a 3-2 favorite. You're a big dog to most aces. Any pocket pair and you're drawing slim, especially to aces as a 9-1 dog. Well, it's even worse here, because all pocket pairs higher than yours basically act like aces pf to A2.
You also have practically nothing invested in this pot.
So yeah, fold.
So the best case (likely) scenario is a 3-2 favorite, and the alternative is that you're crushed, drawing to 2 outs, a 9-1 underdog. Think of it as calling an all-in pf with A2s (without the odds, obviously). You wouldn't do that, right? Because at best villain is pushing broadway so you are a 3-2 favorite. You're a big dog to most aces. Any pocket pair and you're drawing slim, especially to aces as a 9-1 dog. Well, it's even worse here, because all pocket pairs higher than yours basically act like aces pf to A2.
You also have practically nothing invested in this pot.
So yeah, fold.
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Posted 22 October 2006 - 02:08 PM
QUOTE (navybuttons @ Saturday, October 21st, 2006, 2:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
your post is like asking an acomplished novelist "there is a line that says 'the rivers dock' what do you think of this poem?"
so true.
QUOTE (hblask @ Saturday, October 21st, 2006, 1:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The call preflop and post flop are so bad that even I wouldn't make them.
OK, PF maybe once in a while if he's been stealing a lot and I'm feeling lucky and have been drinking.
OK, PF maybe once in a while if he's been stealing a lot and I'm feeling lucky and have been drinking.
that might help explain your own lack of success.
Preflop is fine
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