17 replies to this topic

[tskillz187]

Seriously, is there a Fcukin converter on the internet that will work for me? Anyways I don't have the stacks, but I'm above avg with 17 left, 6 handed tourney, 12 pay. I'm SB. Villain is 2nd in chips, has me 2:1. I think have about 9000 and AirMJ has 18000 and Luke, well he sucks so I don't know. Blinds are 150-300 I believe.

tskillz187: 6h 5h


Pre-flop:

AirMJ91 has disconnected, is dropped.
AirMJ91 has reconnected.
blacky83 folds. Luke997 raises to 600. TOE19 folds.
Samoan_Joe folds. tskillz187 calls. AirMJ91
calls.

Flop (board: 3h 6c 9s):

tskillz187 checks. AirMJ91 checks. Luke997 checks.


Turn (board: 3h 6c 9s 4s):

tskillz187 bets 1200. AirMJ91 calls. Luke997 folds.


River (board: 3h 6c 9s 4s Qd):

tskillz187 checks. AirMJ91 bets 7500. (This bet puts me all in.)

This bet just screams bluff to me, in these 6 seater tourneys people love to try and run over perceived weakness.

[navybuttons]

are you crazy? yes.

calling off your tournament life to protect 600 doesn't make much sense to me.

if your willing to risk that many chips you might as well put in a bet somewhere.

[tskillz187]

are you crazy? yes.

calling off your tournament life to protect 600 doesn't make much sense to me.

if your willing to risk that many chips you might as well put in a bet somewhere.

I bet the turn, 1200.

[WrongWay]

Well, it isn't all his chips for 600.

There is 600x3 (1800) pre-flop, but he raises 1200 on the turn and gets called by 1. 4.2K in the pot after the turn betting. Hero is down from 9K-ish to 7K-ish with more than 1/5th of his stack in this pot.

Villan put 7K at risk to win 4K. You're asked to call 7K-ish to maybe win 11K-ish.

I think I still fold as you have 3rd pair....

But a call isn't as dumb as risking 8.5K to win 1800.

[goheels]

I agree with Navybuttons here.

Two things:

1) I don't like this PF call if you don't have position, if he's really deep it's better, but even then its sketchy. You pick up a nice draw on the turn and bet...get called and miss...now what? being OOP isn't good. (the raiser's stack size does matter though)

2) You're not playing this hand to make one pair and defend for your entire stack, even if you think it could be a bluff.

BTW, I think he probably missed his spade draw, but ohh well, if he's playing like that just wait, a large shipment is coming your way.

Also, dont blow your winnings from last night, save $11 for next week...I'm still bitter about you re-shoving on me when I had 8 high, so NO TRANSFERS FOR YOU.

[tskillz187]

But a call isn't as dumb as risking 8.5K to win 1800.

Risk Shmisk. What is a dude that has managed to accumulate all these chips in a 6 seater, checking the flop with, smooth calling the turn, and then just blasting the river?

How is his bet scary? Because it's a lot? I think these big bets are sometimes the weakest. I think this forum weighs too much on math sometimes. What hands can this guy have.

BTW, I think he probably missed his spade draw, but ohh well, if he's playing like that just wait, a large shipment is coming your way.

Also, dont blow your winnings from last night, save $11 for next week...I'm still bitter about you re-shoving on me when I had 8 high, so NO TRANSFERS FOR YOU.

This is a 6 seater, you don't have time to sit around and hope to just pound someone with a big holding late. I think if you think he missed his spade draw then to call! This is moving time, five from the bubble and if we call we are 2nd in chips!

Don't you worry, this was a tourney on UB, I'm saving my $20 bankroll on stars for you chumps.

Oh, one more thing, when I have an M of 20 and have 56 suited, I'm calling a min pf raise from the SB every single time.

[navybuttons]

I bet the turn, 1200.

what? you think i can read?

my bad.

by the way: i underbet bluff and make huge overbets for value.

there's a lot of hands i might play this way that would have you crushed in this spot but you are going to have to be able to put villian on a hand and what hand he puts you on.

[tskillz187]

By the way, I had KK when I RR you out of my blind. Maybe it was QQ, but I wanted that call.

For the math thing, I think math is good to use too, but what is the point in figuring out the odds I have to call if we aren't figuring out his range? It's useless.

"Hey, I'm getting 6:1 autocall." We need to figure out how our hand fares against a possible range of his holdings for me to care that I'm getting 1.6:1 or whatever I'm getting and then apply the math.

[goheels]

What good is your M of 20 if he has an M of 6? That was my only point.

You would be sick if he turned over QTss and you were right about the spade draw but he backed into a higher pair. Just a thought.

[tskillz187]

You would be sick if he turned over QTss and you were right about the spade draw but he backed into a higher pair. Just a thought.

What is his read of me for him to make an all-in bet on the river with a rivered top pair? He sees my check, rivers the Q and thinks well he must be weak, screw value I'm pushing.

by the way: i underbet bluff and make huge overbets for value.

there's a lot of hands i might play this way that would have you crushed in this spot but you are going to have to be able to put villian on a hand and what hand he puts you on.

I do this too and am aware that people do it. So if he was slowplaying the flop, it came 369 rainbow, not a horrible spot but it is straight draw heavy, but I could see him having 33, 66, 96, 63, 93, those hands are fine.

The 4 turn, which I bet, brings a spade draw, completes a straight draw, and makes the board WAY more draw heavy. There is no way that he continues to slowplay a flopped monster, especially with a player after him to act.

So now if he is slowplaying on the turn, he has to have 57 for a turned straight, which is possible. I find it much more likely that he has a 3,4, or spade draw though, with spade draw being least likely.

Then for the river bet, he puts me all in and overbets the pot after I show weakness. That doesn't look like a straight to me, much more like a missed spade draw, or that he thinks I have a hand that might have him beat but is susceptible.

[goheels]

What is his read of me for him to make an all-in bet on the river with a rivered top pair? He sees my check, rivers the Q and thinks well he must be weak, screw value I'm pushing.

well, if he has a read that you would even consider calling a push with 3rd pair his push makes a whole lot of sense. Obviously if that was his read it wasnt terrible.

What happened in the hand?

[tskillz187]

well, if he has a read that you would even consider calling a push with 3rd pair his push makes a whole lot of sense. Obviously if that was his read it wasnt terrible.

What happened in the hand?

I don't think he has any read on me, we've sat together for less than an orbit, making me wanting to call this river all the more crazy.

I'll wait for a little longer tonight before I post results, probably around 1230am, when I get back from the movies.

[holyfield]

fold, you cant rationalize a call, you admitted yourself you have no reads, so how can this scream of a bluff to you???

even a bluff could have you beat here

[tskillz187]

fold, you cant rationalize a call, you admitted yourself you have no reads, so how can this scream of a bluff to you???

even a bluff could have you beat here

It screams of a bluff for all the reasons I have explained above.

[holyfield]

i disagree with your reasons

they arent reasons without a read.....they are wild speculation

[tskillz187]

i disagree with your reasons

they arent reasons without a read.....they are wild speculation

This is stupid. This isn't a live tournament. I don't get to look at him or have time to figure out how he plays.

Here's a generalization I will make until the person proves me wrong, if I'm deep in a tournament and I'm moved, I'm going to assume the guy with the most chips that is raising, is an aggressive player that is probably good.

I'm in a hand now, it's crunch time of a tourney. I can't sit and wait for a hand to try and get a lead. If this isn't a good spot then please articulate a reason. Don't give me, "I disagree, you have no reads."

When hands are posted here you have no reads. If I saw this hand posted and I wasn't involved in it, that river bet would stick out like a sore thumb. Even Goheels says he thinks he missed a draw, but that it's too risky, or something along those lines.

fold, you cant rationalize a call, you admitted yourself you have no reads, so how can this scream of a bluff to you???

even a bluff could have you beat here

Name one bluffing hand that has me beat that wouldn't check the river. All hands that have me beat and aren't strong would check for showdown value.

[holyfield]

when it comes to all in calling, reads are very important imho. you dont have to look at a person to get reads.

you can accumulate chips many many ways, and on any given day some guy could just be getting super lucky, but i understand your assumption.

you need to account for the fact that he might be a bad player, but a good player can make moves that will confuse you at times and that is probably the point.
the best players can shift from style to style according to their opponents and to prevent reads or set up future plays. he could even just be making this play for image, to avoid showing down or making a stab at getting a huge payoff.


77s got you beat!!! few paired spade draws! 95 hehe but that was just an idle comment it wasnt really meant literally


but the suspense is killing us, we wanna see the results!!!

[tskillz187]

Well, I guess this is anticlimatic.

I folded.

How could I possibly make that call!


















J/K

tskillz187: 6h 5h
AirMJ91: -- --
blacky83: -- --
Luke997: -- --
TOE19: -- --
Samoan_Joe: -- --

Pre-flop:

AirMJ91 has disconnected, is dropped.
AirMJ91 has reconnected.
blacky83 folds. Luke997 raises to 600. TOE19 folds.
Samoan_Joe folds. tskillz187 calls. AirMJ91
calls.

Flop (board: 3h 6c 9s):

tskillz187 checks. AirMJ91 checks. Luke997 checks.


Turn (board: 3h 6c 9s 4s):

tskillz187 bets 1200. AirMJ91 calls. Luke997 folds.


River (board: 3h 6c 9s 4s Qd):

tskillz187 checks. AirMJ91 bets 7500. tskillz187
goes all-in for 6900. AirMJ91 is returned 600
(uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

tskillz187 shows 6h 5h.
AirMJ91 shows 7c 4c.




Showdown:

tskillz187 has 6h 5h 6c 9s Qd: a pair of sixes.
AirMJ91 has 7c 4c 9s 4s Qd: a pair of fours.


Hand #36060966-189 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
tskillz187 wins 18000 with a pair of sixes.

This put me at 2nd in chips. I wish I could say it went smooth sailing and that these are the types of moves that win tourneys, but then I ran QQ into AA twice 5 handed, and ended up bottom cashing in 10th, WOOOOO