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[Acid_Knight]

simo_8ball, on Monday, November 20th, 2006, 10:25 AM, said:

Now you're getting it. See if this was 22, you'd be fine calling. 22 is a pair, and therefore a made hand.

I have much to learn about this game. B)

[petersun]

simo_8ball, on Monday, November 20th, 2006, 9:43 AM, said:

Remember, AK is just a drawing hand. Why get allin on a draw this early?

Because AK is a made hand against QJ.

[simo_8ball]

petersun, on Wednesday, December 20th, 2006, 4:36 PM, said:

Because AK is a made hand against QJ.

But it's only ace high. How can ace high be a made hand? You haven't 'made' anything. Remember that. How often do you see players call off all their chips on a draw? Don't be one of them.

[petersun]

simo_8ball, on Wednesday, December 20th, 2006, 2:16 PM, said:

But it's only ace high. How can ace high be a made hand? You haven't 'made' anything. Remember that. How often do you see players call off all their chips on a draw? Don't be one of them.

A made hand is one which currently wins over another hand if the showdown was made with no more cards showing. I don't need to draw to anything, I win right now without seeing another card.Let's take another example:Do you prefer 22 vs KQ or AK vs KQ? Both 22 and AK are made hands over KQ. However, you prefer to have AK rather than 22. AK is more "made" than 22.

[simo_8ball]

petersun, on Thursday, December 21st, 2006, 9:03 PM, said:

A made hand is one which currently wins over another hand if the showdown was made with no more cards showing. I don't need to draw to anything, I win right now without seeing another card.Let's take another example:Do you prefer 22 vs KQ or AK vs KQ? Both 22 and AK are made hands over KQ. However, you prefer to have AK rather than 22. AK is more "made" than 22.

I wasn't being serious. Just so you know.

[petersun]

simo_8ball, on Thursday, December 21st, 2006, 6:31 PM, said:

I wasn't being serious. Just so you know.

Okay =) Hard to tell sarcasm sometimes.In either case, I think what I'd do in this hand is first think it out like we did here, then say, "I saw your cards so I call. Let's check with the tournament director to see if my seeing your cards makes the hand a misdeal." This way, you develop an image as a thinking player and an honorable player while making the correct move. I think that would strike the right balance of fear and respect into your opponents.

[copernicus]

shpaget, on Monday, November 20th, 2006, 1:22 PM, said:

Of course...I keep forgetting that AK isn't a made hand...even against QJ.

I think....hope....can't say pray, Im an atheist, that he was being sarcastic.

[simo_8ball]

copernicus, on Sunday, December 24th, 2006, 6:12 PM, said:

I think....hope....can't say pray, Im an atheist, that he was being sarcastic.

I'm fairly sure you're safe with that assumption.

[aasurfer]

This year was my first World Series of Poker. I sat at that table scared @#%less for 9 hours. The best hands i saw were 99 and AK, played them both so poorly I cringe everytime i look back and wonder what could have been. 9000 people? Phil Ivey AND Gus Hansen at my table? No question i'm taking the gamble right then and there, at least that way I've got some ammo that can threaten Phil and Gus and if i have a good starting hand i can employ a "kill phil" strategy against them without risking my tournament life. $10,000 is a lot of green to put in play for the average college student (or regular person, i guess) but the lesson i learned for next year's WSOP, and of more immediate importance the WPT event at Borgata... is that it's a tournament, the buy in is history, might as well play to win!Phil

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Why on earth would anyone think it would be a better call with 22? With AK, you already have QJ beat. To beat you, they would have to catch at least a Q or J. NOW, say they were to catch a Q or J on the flop, if you had 22, you would have significantly less outs to improve on the turn or river, you only have 2 more 2s to make trips. With AK, however, you have 3 As and 3 Kings left in the deck, so you have a far better chance to draw out and beat the QJ on the turn or river.If you were to know your odds, 22 against QJ is actually the slightest underdog. QJ wins that race just over 52% of the time.