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#1 HonkyTonkHero

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 11:18 PM

ok, newbie here, i know, i give you permission to flame away if this is a stupid question(not that you will need it, you all are gonna do it anyways)I play a lot of heads up s&g's, mostly stud, sometimes holdem and horse. ive recently found myself playing heads up cash games late at night, and im wondering if the same rules to heads up tourney apply to heads up cash games as far as playing almost evey hand, raising your button(in holdem and omaha.) if i could get some insight to this, that would be great!p.s., if ya'll are ever in california and want to do some wine tasting let me know, i work for a wine company out here.
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Posted 14 October 2006 - 11:24 PM

View PostHonkyTonkHero, on Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 12:18 AM, said:

ok, newbie here, i know, i give you permission to flame away if this is a stupid question(not that you will need it, you all are gonna do it anyways)I play a lot of heads up s&g's, mostly stud, sometimes holdem and horse. ive recently found myself playing heads up cash games late at night, and im wondering if the same rules to heads up tourney apply to heads up cash games as far as playing almost evey hand, raising your button(in holdem and omaha.) if i could get some insight to this, that would be great!p.s., if ya'll are ever in california and want to do some wine tasting let me know, i work for a wine company out here.
You should almost always raise preflop with the button in the cash game, true. There are some differences as far as how much to raise because that # is so dependent on chip stacks. But basically, raising on the button heads up is pretty standard in both tourney and cash games. Just be good at playing postflop to extract the maximum value for your marginal holdings, while minimizing losses. That is the key to heads up. Making great value bets also help out a lot in heads up. Know your player, and exploit him, GL. For a further, more in depth response, what types of tourneys and or cash games? SNG heads up? Deep stack?
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#3 HonkyTonkHero

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 11:28 PM

i dont do so well in my MTT's, but for some reason in heads up sng's and single table s&g's $10-20 i do very well. as far as cash games go, the 1-2 CAP NL at fulltilt is quite a delicious game. especially if its late at night, im often playin heads up. (im up extremely early for work)
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Posted 14 October 2006 - 11:30 PM

View PostHonkyTonkHero, on Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 12:28 AM, said:

i dont do so well in my MTT's, but for some reason in heads up sng's and single table s&g's $10-20 i do very well. as far as cash games go, the 1-2 CAP NL at fulltilt is quite a delicious game. especially if its late at night, im often playin heads up. (im up extremely early for work)
CAP game? That changes everything. What is the CAP on the 1-2 NL, $50? (just guessing)
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#5 HonkyTonkHero

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 11:34 PM

60, but close enough. i always play 6 max, but most of the time am playing 2-3 handed. it gets pretty wicked if theres a full table w/ hypo-aggro players. w/ the cap nl, chip stacks aren't too big of an issue as the most u are risking per hand is 60 bucks
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Posted 14 October 2006 - 11:43 PM

View PostHonkyTonkHero, on Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 12:34 AM, said:

60, but close enough. i always play 6 max, but most of the time am playing 2-3 handed. it gets pretty wicked if theres a full table w/ hypo-aggro players. w/ the cap nl, chip stacks aren't too big of an issue as the most u are risking per hand is 60 bucks
Why not play 50NL then? Do you prefer the super aggro play from your villians in a shorthanded and/or HU match versus a normal ring 50NL game? You like the action? Can you exploit aggro Villains easily?
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Posted 14 October 2006 - 11:49 PM

View PostJMoney2681, on Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 12:24 AM, said:

You should almost always raise preflop with the button in the cash game, true. There are some differences as far as how much to raise because that # is so dependent on chip stacks. But basically, raising on the button heads up is pretty standard in both tourney and cash games. Just be good at playing postflop to extract the maximum value for your marginal holdings, while minimizing losses. That is the key to heads up. Making great value bets also help out a lot in heads up. Know your player, and exploit him, GL. For a further, more in depth response, what types of tourneys and or cash games? SNG heads up? Deep stack?
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Posted 14 October 2006 - 11:50 PM

i guess ive just found comfort in these cap games. i can exploit my hypo-aggro villains because i set up my table image as a conservative player, and wait for the nuts, show it down once or twice, then am able to pick up a lot of pots on bluffs...i really oughta try those 50nl games.
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Posted 14 October 2006 - 11:53 PM

View PostHonkyTonkHero, on Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 12:50 AM, said:

i guess ive just found comfort in these cap games. i can exploit my hypo-aggro villains because i set up my table image as a conservative player, and wait for the nuts, show it down once or twice, then am able to pick up a lot of pots on bluffs...i really oughta try those 50nl games.
I'm sure the variance would be higher in the cap games because people will play so aggressively and jam the pots every chance they get, especially short handed, but if you have a huge roll then that wouldn't be a big problem. So, basically, what are your questions?
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Posted 15 October 2006 - 12:00 AM

if tournament heads up and cash game heads up should be played the same, given similar stack sizes (in a non cap game?) the variance in the cap games is a lot higher as people who have just blown their rolls will go to the cap games to minimize the risk factor, knowing they dont have much behind.(speaking from experience here :club: )
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Posted 15 October 2006 - 12:17 AM

View PostHonkyTonkHero, on Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 1:00 AM, said:

if tournament heads up and cash game heads up should be played the same, given similar stack sizes (in a non cap game?) the variance in the cap games is a lot higher as people who have just blown their rolls will go to the cap games to minimize the risk factor, knowing they dont have much behind.(speaking from experience here :club: )
That's what I said? Short handed cap games=more variance.
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Posted 15 October 2006 - 12:22 AM

View PostHonkyTonkHero, on Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 12:18 AM, said:

ok, newbie here, i know, i give you permission to flame away if this is a stupid question(not that you will need it, you all are gonna do it anyways)I play a lot of heads up s&g's, mostly stud, sometimes holdem and horse. ive recently found myself playing heads up cash games late at night, and im wondering if the same rules to heads up tourney apply to heads up cash games as far as playing almost evey hand, raising your button(in holdem and omaha.) if i could get some insight to this, that would be great!p.s., if ya'll are ever in california and want to do some wine tasting let me know, i work for a wine company out here.
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Posted 15 October 2006 - 12:28 AM

working in san diego, but often make trips to the central coast, and sonomoa/napa
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