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[tentenoffsuit]

in general i play all my sets fast on the flop... i have a reputation as being very agressive... so i fast play my sets and try to get action on them, or take the pot down. this being said, i would make my usual bet at this pot. here's the thing most people miss:if you have AsTs and the flop comes Ks8h2S most of us are going to take a chance at hitting that nut flush at a decent price, we may even lead at the pot with a semi-bluff. With your flush you have 9 outs and a 35% chance of hitting it in the last two cards. If it doesn't hit on the turn, you have a 19.6% chance of hitting it on the river. Most of us are willing to take the chance to hit that nut flush if the board isn't paired... ect. ect.now lets say you have 5h5c and the flop comes 5d8dJd. against a made flush you still have 7 outs with two to come (27.8%). if the turn doesn't pair the board, you pick up three additional outs giving you 10 outs with one to come (21.7%). Not a real big difference there. People fail to realize how much the board actually pairs when they play. It happens a lot.Ever since I figured this out, i always play my sets to see all 5 cards in cash games. A little more cautious in tourneys where I can't re-buy. But in a cash game, i'll take my chances. Hope that math helps a little....

[jonnyz]

Pot size bet on the flop should let you know where you are. It s tricky though thats why you shouldnt play 55 utg and definately not if there has been a good size raise behind you.

[No1Special]

I was in that situation in a cash game on UB. 1 raise from a very tight player in first position so i just smooth called his raise pre-flop. I flopped 3 aces with [AcAs] in the whole board came flushed diamonds. Because I knew I had the best hand I thought the only way the tight player would call is if he had a flush ( which I thought was out of the question).I moved all-in and he called had QQ with the Qd, river came another diamond. I dont know if this helps you but I think its best to get the money in with the best hand and hope that you dont get outdrawn.

[Diabolical]

I have a comment on what Mrniceguy wrote. I would go all in on the flop in your situation. Being in a tourney and playing No-limit Live are two different animals. If i had pocket aces and tripped with a total flush board, i'm goin all in!!! No doubt. The key in a tourney is to accumulate chips and watch the blinds as they go up. You said you were shortstacked and this was your make it or break it hand. In a cash game, the blinds never go up and you have to worry about your roll more then one particular hand. :wink:

[TucsonMonster]

Not only is the quality important but i believe that the statistics itself is the most defining point. (Dont quote me on this), but i believe that the chances of flopping a flush is 112:1. this should give you a good sense of what is going on. In a low limit game, i wouldnt be suprised if a pot sized bet gets raised by someone on the nut flush draw (or a high suited card.) Just thought i would throw that out there.

[AceyDeucy]

First time I had position. 8:heart: 8:spade:, flop is 10 5:club: 8:club: Guy pushed all-in in front of me. I had seen the guy was a tight player. I decided that he didn't have the small flush, because he wouldn't have put his tourney on the line in case the nut flush was behind. I figured he would slowplay the nut flush, so I put him on the nut flush draw. I called him, he turned up A:club:K:spade:, and didn't improve.Second time: ME: 7:heart: 7:diamond: FLOP 6:club: 7:club: 9:club: I tossed out a probe bet (about 1/3 the pot) another tight player who had had several monsters called down and yet to be shown bluffing pushed all-in over me. He was the big stack comfortably at this point, on the merits of the earlier monsters. Smart player behind him (who was the only preflop raiser) lays down what turned out to be K:diamond: K:club:. I decide that he was protecting a small flush, because that would be typical of his play that day, but I was getting 4:1 to fill up, so I called. He shows 9:diamond: 10 . Hits his second pair on the turn, but does not improve after. No more clubs hit, either, so the kings guy was proud of himself.Basically, I would usually play a weak lead and look for the other guy to do something stupid. I will concede that a player creative enough to play a Post Oak bluff can have this pot. I would be made very nervous by a smooth call, but I might get a free card on the river if the guy is trapping.