Fold Tptk Getting Over 5:1?

[Sluggo 0]

I don't really like this hand converter, but the normal one's website was down.Party Poker ($4 no limit). Hand converted by Check Raised hand converterUTG+1 ($100.86) (UTG+1)MP1 ($1550.17) (MP1)MP2 ($131.72) (MP2)MP3 ($167.46) (MP3)SB ($427.14) (SB)CO ($425.70) (CO)HERO ($135.00) [ ] (UTG)BB ($450.70) (BB)LP ($353.00) (LP)BTN ($378.00) (BTN)Can I fold the flop getting 5.5:1?Preflop (10 players): HERO raises $16.00, 1 fold, MP1 raises $28.00, 7 folds, HERO calls ($12.00) [5.17:1].MP1's preflop PT stats are 24/6. In the 150 hands I had seen him play, he was up like $1,200. I make a standard preflop raise of 4xbb with AKo. MP1 minraises, and I cautiously call. Here, I figured him for QQ-AA, AK. Does this range seem reasonable?Flop (15.5 bets ($62) in pot, 2 players): HERO checks.MP1 bets $20.00.HERO raises $60.00.MP1 raises $80.00.Given the range I assumed earlier, this flop is bad. There are six combinations each of QQ, AA, and AK, and one combination of KK. I check out of fear, not really having a line in mind. I think this was my first mistake.He bets $20 into a $60 pot and I'm not sure what to do. Check/folding TPTK seems terribly weak to me, especially considering he could have AK, so I check-raise, blindly hoping to win the pot. He minraises my checkraise and I feel I'm beat. I doubt AK or JJ would threebet here. My equity against QQ+, AK is about 25%, but my equity against QQ+ is 9%.Should I have bet out on the flop? Check/folded? Is folding the flop getting 5.5:1 ok (my call will be $7 short of all-in)?

[Zach6668 513]

Umm... if his range is QQ-AA, AK, you don't beat anything. You only tie AK... I think we c/f this flop...?

[simo_8ball 1]

I prefer a smaller raise preflop. Even more so given you are shortstacked. $12 would be fine.As played, I really think you have to fold. At best you are splitting, and more often than not you are way behind. Put me in that situation and I probably call, but I don't think it's the correct decision.Oh, and I don't like the hand converter either.

[Sluggo 0]

The raise preflop is fine. However, I agree that I should have check/folded the flop.

[David_Nicoson 1]

MP1's preflop PT stats are 24/6. In the 150 hands I had seen him play, he was up like $1,200. I make a standard preflop raise of 4xbb with AKo. MP1 minraises, and I cautiously call. Here, I figured him for QQ-AA, AK. Does this range seem reasonable?

Yeah. It's a tight range for a lot of players, but that's certainly correct for some class of players. The min re-raise means dramatically different things from different players.I hate the way our hand plays against the villain's range after the flop. I'd prefer to reraise preflop and give the hard decision to the villain with QQ or AK. We're playing pretty shallow, so the consequence of stacking off versus aces is not so bad. Or else just fold, preflop pot odds be damned.

Given the range I assumed earlier, this flop is bad.

What flop is good? Missing is obviously bad. Unimproved QQ or KK can't pay you except for a possible continuation bet if you outflop them. Hitting a king or ace against AA is a road to broke. Flopping a straight is wonderful, but we're still vulnerable to being outdrawn in that scenario.

He bets $20 into a $60 pot and I'm not sure what to do. Check/folding TPTK seems terribly weak to me, especially considering he could have AK, so I check-raise, blindly hoping to win the pot. He minraises my checkraise and I feel I'm beat. I doubt AK or JJ would threebet here. My equity against QQ+, AK is about 25%, but my equity against QQ+ is 9%.Should I have bet out on the flop? Check/folded? Is folding the flop getting 5.5:1 ok (my call will be $7 short of all-in)?

I make a crying call as played. Using your range, we're about a 2.5:1 dog. I think we're much better off putting the villain to the decision, either preflop or on the flop.

Board: Qd 9d Kc Dead:  			equity (%)	  win (%)	tie (%) Hand  1:	28.9666 %	  06.66% 	22.31%	  { AdKh }Hand  2:	71.0334 %	  48.73% 	22.31%	  { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

[kes1981 0]

Why raise the flop if your just going to fold? Basically your whole stack is in the pot after you raise, I don't get it. Also PF, you have less than half a buy-in before the hand... just push the flop here.

[Acid_Knight 2]

You assign him a range in which you're a coinflip against one hand, tying one hand and getting raped by 2 others.You're also shortstacked, which is bad in a cash game. You don't have enough chips to make plays and find out where you're at.I prefer that you just push preflop and try and see all 5 board cards for free. After seeing the flop, while not a good one, you did get a piece of it.You have TPTK and the backdoor nut flush draw. Once you check raise there is NO WAY that you can fold the hand. It's pretty simple. Your best bet is to get it in preflop. If you see that flop, you gotta put your money in since you dont' have much left.If you were calling against his range of AK, QQ+ then what the hell kind of flop were you hoping for? A72? KK5?

[Peak01 0]

I'm okay with the way you played it and go with your gut and fold to the raise.

[trystero 0]

I'm okay with the way you played it and go with your gut and fold to the raise.

I don't think it's his 'gut' so much as it's 'villain has given me every indication that I am crushed on this board.'

[Peak01 0]

I don't think it's his 'gut' so much as it's 'villain has given me every indication that I am crushed on this board.'

Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.

[trystero 0]

Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.

Thanks for contributing a cliche. That helped.

[spikymarv99 0]

Don't have a short stack. Always have a full buy-in. Your stack is basically in the pot. Don't try to make a hero fold here. Call but expect to lose. If you were deeper, it would be a fold.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Don't have a short stack. Always have a full buy-in. Your stack is basically in the pot. Don't try to make a hero fold here. Call but expect to lose. If you were deeper, it would be a fold.

I know that if I were the other guy, I might overplay certain hands here knowing that it won't cost me much money. You put in too many chips to fold now, it's as simple as that.