Preflop Raiser Moves In On River, After Checking The Turn?

[capthowdy981 0]

No real immediate read on the guy. He's been beating on me for the last hour, and I was ready to make my stand. I shouldn't of checked the turn, me thinks, so I could gather more info. Your thoughts?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)saw flop|saw showdownSB ($243)Hero ($125.25)UTG ($226.65)MP ($206.70)Button ($485.20)Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 , T . 2 folds, Button raises to $8, 1 fold, Hero calls $6.Flop: ($17) J , J , 8 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $15, Hero calls $15.Turn: ($47) Q (2 players)Hero checks, Button checks.River: ($47) A (2 players)Hero bets $20, Button raises to $462.2, Hero folds.Final Pot: $529.20Main Pot: $87, won by Button.Pot 2: $442.20, returned to Button.kdawg edit: had to convert this bad boyI shouldn't of called his reraise preflop out of position, but I was eager to make him stop beating on me. I don't know if he put me on a draw/make me lay down a better hand with a holding like AK, or if he turned a monster with QJ.Sorry, I meant turned a monster with QQ

[iggymcfly 0]

The only hand I'd be worried about here is AA. I really don't see villian checking the turn with any kind of monster. AA certainly does look like the most likely hand here, but getting 2:1 with only one reasonable hand beating you, I'd probably call this.Actually, if I was playing the hand, I would have just C/Red the flop OOP large enough to commit opponent to push/folding on the flop. That way, if you're called, you still likely have 14 outs, and you can get folds from a lot of hands that you're a coinflip against.I really hate taking a passive line with a monster draw OOP like this.

[KDawgCometh 2]

man, I am CRing that bad boy hard on the flop. I'd probably jack it up to about 40. Our hand is massive and we can make him fold. As far as the river, I don't see why on earth we are thinking about folding here after having the turn checked through. He's been beating on you and you say that this is where you want to make your stand, well folding that river ain't it. I think the biggest mistake though was not putting more money in on the flop

[capthowdy981 0]

Right on. But since he was beating on me, I thought a big check raise on the turn would be the best play. Not only beat him, but show him "stop running me over".The overbet is what threw me off here.

[KDawgCometh 2]

But since he was beating on me, I thought a big check raise on the turn would be the best play

maybe, but that is taking the pot out of your hands when you hold a nut straight on the turn. I think a flop CR tells him to stop fucking with you and allows you to put money in on with a big draw

[capthowdy981 0]

good ****, but I wanted all the money in the pot to be the "stop ****ing with me" message.I didn't want to win just a 30 dollar pot, but that, in turn (vendetta) cost me $$.

[krup24 0]

If you reraise the flop here the hand plays itself. You repop the flop and jam the turn cuase you'll only have about 75 left. You made this really hard on yourself.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Don't play hands to send a message to someone unless you know where you're at in the hand. You're likely to embarass yourself if you go out of your way to "put someone in their place."How come you're not trying to get all of your money in on the flop?You're getting 2-1 on a hand that's likely to win more often than that. If you had 300 behind, I'd say fold.You hand is gonna be good often enough here to make calling profitable. The fact that he pushed makes it look like he's trying to intimidate you. Call the river.

[AcesOnFire 0]

You hand is gonna be good often enough here to make calling profitable. The fact that he pushed makes it look like he's trying to intimidate you. Call the river.

Agreed.

[KDawgCometh 2]

I didn't want to win just a 30 dollar pot, but that, in turn (vendetta) cost me $$.

pretty much, well, that and the bad fold on the river. like someone else said, his push on the river seems more to scare you out of the pot(which it did). Your straight here is good enough to call. You pretty much outplayed yourself, it happens, but don't let emotions get you caught up in making the right plays

[kes1981 0]

I think your ahead in this spot 0% of the time. Fold and move on. My logic is simple:Villan has been running over you, you have a short stack, he probably views you as a fish. One thing you don't do is try to outplay those you view as a fish. Your river bet is pretty strong given the board. He has a full house here. What else can he have that you beat in this spot?

[Fade2241 0]

I agree with the C/R the flop here. If you want him to stop messing around with you, you need to fight back. That doesn’t mean call down your draw until you hit! You need to play it stronger BEFORE you hit - period. I know you were thinking you could C/R the turn after you hit but as it goes in poker one mistake typically leads to many. If you C/R’ed the flop you could lead out big or go all in on the turn. I think the villain played the hand like he had AK or maybe AA fearing you had a jack. I think he would have bet the turn with QQ, QJ or Jx looking to get paid off some more by a flush draw. You played the hand like you had a busted flush draw and paired your high card - Ace or Queen high IMO. AK can make that move on the river with that read. Bottom line you had the perfect hand you pwn this guy for beating up on you. You are ahead most of the time with a OESFD on the flop so push that edge more often than not…especially vs. a guy like this.

[Peak01 0]

Make your stand on the flop here by C/R.As played you are beat on the river. Nice laydown!