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#1 cwik

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 12:38 AM

Oppenent is 25%/15%/4.00/81, my pokertracker has him going back and forth between an eagel and ulta agressive.

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $133.80
UTG+1: $104.35
CO: $274.60
Button: $96.30
SB: $153.75
BB: $107.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with :j icon_suit_heart.gif :j icon_suit_spade.gif
Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: :5 icon_suit_spade.gif :8 icon_suit_spade.gif :4 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($7, 2 players)
SB bets $7, Hero raises to $17, SB raises all-in $150.75, Hero calls all-in $113.8.
Uncalled bets: $19.95 returned to SB.

Turn: :a icon_suit_diamond.gif ($268.6, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $268.6)


River: :2 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($268.6, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $268.6)


Results:
Final pot: $268.6

calling here can't be right here? can it? I almost always muck this with out too much thought, but this guy has been extremely agressive and likes to move chips.

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 01:20 AM

QUOTE (cwik @ Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 1:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oppenent is 25%/15%/4.00/81, my pokertracker has him going back and forth between an eagel and ulta agressive.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $133.80
UTG+1: $104.35
CO: $274.60
Button: $96.30
SB: $153.75
BB: $107.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with :j icon_suit_heart.gif :j icon_suit_spade.gif
Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: :5 icon_suit_spade.gif :8 icon_suit_spade.gif :4 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($7, 2 players)
SB bets $7, Hero raises to $17, SB raises all-in $150.75, Hero calls all-in $113.8.
Uncalled bets: $19.95 returned to SB.

Turn: :a icon_suit_diamond.gif ($268.6, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $268.6)
River: :2 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($268.6, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $268.6)
Results:
Final pot: $268.6

calling here can't be right here? can it? I almost always muck this with out too much thought, but this guy has been extremely agressive and likes to move chips.



if he likes to be move chips w/tp, overpair, and draws, I'm calling. If he's only shown down AA/KK/2pair+ then i'm folding

#3 krup24

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 04:33 AM

Go with your reads, altough I feel we are against something like A9 icon_suit_spade.gif and basically a flipper.
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Posted 12 October 2006 - 04:54 AM

I dont have pokertracker, so i dont understand those stats.

(if someone can explain them to me, that would be delicious)


anyways, I dont like to call. IMO, at best he puts us on AK, and he has an under pair, at coin flip he has Ax suited in spades,
and at worst he has 6,7 or 2 pair or a set.

I'd have to let this go. This is a max buy in of 100?



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Posted 12 October 2006 - 06:28 AM

QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 4:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dont have pokertracker, so i dont understand those stats.

(if someone can explain them to me, that would be delicious)
anyways, I dont like to call. IMO, at best he puts us on AK, and he has an under pair, at coin flip he has Ax suited in spades,
and at worst he has 6,7 or 2 pair or a set.

I'd have to let this go. This is a max buy in of 100?


25%/15%/4.00/81
vpip/pfr/agr/hp
vol put $s in pot/pre flop raise/total agression factor/total hands played


You use poker office or something?
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Posted 12 October 2006 - 06:37 AM

You are significantly behind his range here IMO.

IMO villian plays three hands this fast:
1. set
2. big draw
3. overpair AA KK

Obviously you're behind since you may only be close to 50/50 in your best case scenario. You're never crushing him here cause he doesn't play 1010- this fast at all cause he'd be scared of you having an overpair w/ the reraise on the flop.

With his overbet, he's forced the pot not to lay you odds to call here since the only way you call is if the weight you assign a big draw makes up for your pot odds. In this case, it's not even close.

Aside from that, if this guy is trying to take you off hands, then calling might be alright cause you just can't let yourself get run over. If this is the first time you feel like he's testing you, then just let it go. If nothing else, you've shown him that he can't just donk bet into your preflop raises and expect to take down the pot.

#7 Royal_Tour

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 07:39 AM

QUOTE (aucu @ Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 7:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You use poker office or something?



No, i use nothing. I play ring games on a site that doesnt support any sort of stats tracker.
I keep good notes, and leave the rest to what i notice at the time.



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Posted 12 October 2006 - 09:10 AM

QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, i use nothing. I play ring games on a site that doesnt support any sort of stats tracker.
I keep good notes, and leave the rest to what i notice at the time.



why do you play on Tiger gaming anyway?

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 09:41 AM

QUOTE (No_Neck @ Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
why do you play on Tiger gaming anyway?


sooo much money to be made, i play 2/4NL and have jumped to 5-10NL on occasion because i know the players, they are the same as the 1/2 and 2/4 and they all suck ,none of them know anything else to do with online poker except Tiger Gaming.



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Posted 12 October 2006 - 12:17 PM

The more I look at this had, the more it looks like Ax icon_suit_spade.gif icon_suit_spade.gif . With a slight chance of over pair or set. I don't wanna race here, let alone be insanely behind.

I don't see an agressiveness factor over 3.5 often. But I'm still learning what exactly it means, and how it factors into hads like this.

As it turns out, the villain turned up Q icon_suit_spade.gif 7 icon_suit_spade.gif , probably the best case senerio and JJ actually manage to hold up.

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 12:35 PM

QUOTE (cwik @ Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The more I look at this had, the more it looks like Ax icon_suit_spade.gif icon_suit_spade.gif . With a slight chance of over pair or set. I don't wanna race here, let alone be insanely behind.

I don't see an agressiveness factor over 3.5 often. But I'm still learning what exactly it means, and how it factors into hads like this.
As it turns out, the villain turned up Q icon_suit_spade.gif 7 icon_suit_spade.gif , probably the best case senerio and JJ actually manage to hold up.


I think that aggression factor means di ck in NL games. I don't rely on that at all.

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 07:34 AM

I like the % bet on each street combined with the % folded to bet.




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