omahahilo, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 10:26 PM, said:
No ... I hate when I get knocked out of tourney after tourney this way.I will set it up for you.I am UTG and I get AK suited I have 1250 in front of me. I raise to 200 with the blinds at 25-50. All fold to the button who calls with his stack of 1350. Both blinds fold.The flop comes down K-8-6 rainbow. I make a 150 chip bet to knock out the straight draw. Button calls.The turn brings a 2. Now the 8 and 6 are suited in spades. I assume that there is a whole host of draws out there I push all in. Button calls.His hand is turned up J-3 spades ... river is a spade. I'm out. So ... tell me what I did wrong here.Matt
Matt,It never stops. I usually feel most comfortable at $10 SNGs, but occasionally I will go as high as $50. The catch is, though you'll tend to find stiffer competition in general as you move up, you will also find people who have different valuations of money, and who will treat $50 as though it is $10, or treat $200 as though it is $50.For example, I was just in a Omaha Hi/Lo SNG for $50. I had KK23 in the BB, and called a 3x raise from MP. Our stacks were roughly even. The flop is K 4 7. Rather than let an A2 or A3 hit a better low for free. I lead out for pot, which effectively puts my opponent all-in and leaves me with a handful of chips.He actually pauses for a couple seconds before calling with A99Q rainbow. Turn J. River T.This was a $50 SNG. He was not shortstacked, though the blinds were reasonably high. He called rather than push, so fold equity was non-existent. Short of a misclick, I cannot think of any reason why someone would call here, except perhaps if they believed it was a TOTAL bluff, and he put me on a low draw with no pair. Even at that, it just doesn't make sense. I only remember it because it takes not just a bad beat, but an inexplicable call to bring that situation to fruition.Another case in point. My friend plays $2/4 NLHE cash games. He sat down last night with $400 and was heads up against another player with about $350. I watched while my friend picked up AA. The other player raises to $40. My friend reraises to $100. The other player reraises to $200. My friend pushes. The other player calls.Showdown: AA v. 22.22 > AA.What would prompt a player sitting on $350 to put everything on the line with 22 against a player whom he had not seen play a hand yet? What range of hands does it beat in this situation against an unknown player? Perhaps if he puts him squarely on AK by some revelation of God, playing 22 is defensible. To me, that is not a play you expect from someone sitting on nearly 100x the BB. He typed in the chatbox: "Sorry, tough beat... felt like gambling."You don't know what frame of mind people are in, particularly online where it's so easy to just click buttons and pray, so you will ALWAYS run into people who will make ridiculous plays. Calling all-in with a flush with only one card to come (19 percentish, right?) is one of the standards. I particularly see it in Pot-Limit Omaha, where the "thrill" of four cards and the fast pace of auto-pot-betting lead people to make snap decisions without really considering whether they have any other draws.I lost a $600 pot at $2/4 PL Omaha Hi
when I flopped top set with AA against a very loose Euro player. The flop was A 2 6, and he had 34T8 all of one suit, none of which hit the flop. He called the pot-sized raise preflop, on the flop, when an offsuit J hit on the turn, and by the river we were all-in just in time for a 5 to drop.Sorry for the long read, but I'm just trying to put in perspective with real-life situations that you just will not escape these situations based solely on the limit. I wish I could get a gutshot to call $300 every time, but unfortunately the one time I find someone that frivolous, the card comes that makes it memorable.My advice is, act like you will win against a J-high flush draw 4 out of 5 times, and keep pushing to make them pay.