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#41 tskillz187

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 08:58 PM

View PostChrisRichey, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:53 PM, said:

Here ya go Actuary. And Zach had ATo if I remember right.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP1 (t1655)MP2 (t4435)Hero (t820)Button (t945)SB (t2725)BB (t3090)UTG (t4330)Preflop: Hero is CO with 2Posted Image, 2Posted Image. 1 fold, MP1 raises to t450, 1 fold, Hero raises to t820, 2 folds, BB calls t670, MP1 calls t370.Flop: (t2535) 9Posted Image, 3Posted Image, KPosted Image (3 players)BB bets t2270 (All-In), MP1 folds.Turn: (t4805) 7Posted Image (2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t4805) 7Posted Image (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t4805Results in white below: BB has Qc Kd (two pair, kings and sevens). Hero has 2c 2d (two pair, sevens and twos). Outcome: BB wins t4805.
Yeah KQ call seems a bit loose. I think your play is worse with 22 though, I hate kamikaze bets like that.
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Posted 11 October 2006 - 08:59 PM

View PostActuary, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:54 PM, said:

to me the bubble and pos makes the decision more clear.Love to see it posted ,too
With my stack and the bubble, I should have smooth called his reraised and taken a flop. In retrospect, I made a terrible push.But, in consideration of how loose Cop seemed to be playing at that point (calling w/ that KQo for example), I convinced myself that worst-case I was in a coinflip and more likely I was ahead. Meh. If I played every tournament perfectly, I'd be Phil Hellmuth.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:00 PM

View Posttskillz187, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:58 PM, said:

Yeah KQ call seems a bit loose. I think your play is worse with 22 though, I hate kamikaze bets like that.
Did you see my stack and the blinds? Are you kidding me?

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:03 PM

If Zach had ATo his preflop play is worse than Copernicus'sI don't like 22 all in eitherGiven the odds Zach hasAnd fact Coper defends a lot.Copers call is not that bad, pretty marginal looking nowIf Zach shoves, he's getting 3500 for 900.So, I think Cop has to figure on no re-pop a lot hereBecause the 3500-900 is going to be a call, and he's down to 1400

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:03 PM

You definitely want to race with your stack. (22)
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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:04 PM

Does anybody realize my M is less than 4? At this table? Seriously. 4 to go till the money? Come on.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:04 PM

View PostChrisRichey, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 10:00 PM, said:

Did you see my stack and the blinds? Are you kidding me?
Yes, I see both, first in VIG homie. Zach has to call you no matter what, so already its a coinflip at best to double, but a decent amount of the time its a PP better than yours, then if anyone else calls behind you, you are either crushed or in this situation like 1/3 to win.
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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:05 PM

View PostActuary, on Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 1:03 AM, said:

If Zach had ATo his preflop play is worse than Copernicus's
You're kidding?
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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:10 PM

View PostZach6668, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:05 PM, said:

You're kidding?
no.I think this hand can be a super thread..lot to discuss

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:11 PM

View PostActuary, on Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 1:10 AM, said:

no.I think this hand can be a super thread..lot to discuss
What is your VPIP in tournies, like 4?
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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:19 PM

View Posttskillz187, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 10:04 PM, said:

Yes, I see both, first in VIG homie. Zach has to call you no matter what, so already its a coinflip at best to double, but a decent amount of the time its a PP better than yours, then if anyone else calls behind you, you are either crushed or in this situation like 1/3 to win.
Ok, with an M > 4, I am HOPING for a coinflip. A decent amount of the time it's a higher pp is wrong. Sorry. With a stack of 800, and two other stacks at 4k+, first in vig is meaningless, because I have NO fold equity.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:22 PM

View Postpokerfan1080, on Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 12:04 AM, said:

cop.....Great HU's play. I enjoyed it, and not just because I won. I usually play much more aggressive HU. But you were playing very conservative (I thought). So I was a little more patient.Good game.It's water under the bridge now. It's over with. Time to move on and hopefully it won't happen again.
I wasnt being conservative, I was card dead..couldnt hit a flop. I got my share of folds from you preflop. Two of the 4 decent hands I had, you had better, and you ducked one full house.GG.
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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:24 PM

View PostZach6668, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:11 PM, said:

What is your VPIP in tournies, like 4?
nah.I ma too tight late though.looking closer, I guess you really just got in a bad spot with the push and BB call, you had to call 300 more.. but no flop is really going to make you happy.Is there any flop Cop doesnt push?You just got in a bad pickle there.So I'm being results oriented.Trying to isolate jsut the pf raise, I think its bigger than necessary and folding is not bad, against BB big stack big defender and the short stacks that will push a lot here

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:26 PM

View PostChrisRichey, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 10:19 PM, said:

Ok, with an M > 4, I am HOPING for a coinflip. A decent amount of the time it's a higher pp is wrong. Sorry. With a stack of 800, and two other stacks at 4k+, first in vig is meaningless, because I have NO fold equity.
I think you mean with an M<4? That's fine, it's exactly what you are doing, hoping for a coinflip. I think it's a give up play, push and pray. I don't buy that you have 0FE from the 4k stacks, you are still eating 20% of their stack and so far from the money as you previously stated, that they can't go spewing chips to endanger themselves.Even if you think those 2 stacks are not folding any hands that they would normally limp with to you, you are still able to push everyone else off the table with your push.What do you think Zach's raising range from EP is? I think AT is the worst hand he's opening up with.
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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:31 PM

View PostChrisRichey, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:19 PM, said:

Ok, with an M > 4, I am HOPING for a coinflip. A decent amount of the time it's a higher pp is wrong. Sorry. With a stack of 800, and two other stacks at 4k+, first in vig is meaningless, because I have NO fold equity.
800 is fold equity for sure if 1st in

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:32 PM

View PostActuary, on Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 1:24 AM, said:

nah.I ma too tight late though.looking closer, I guess you really just got in a bad spot with the push and BB call, you had to call 300 more.. but no flop is really going to make you happy.Is there any flop Cop doesnt push?You just got in a bad pickle there.So I'm being results oriented.Trying to isolate jsut the pf raise, I think its bigger than necessary and folding is not bad, against BB big stack big defender and the short stacks that will push a lot here
Let me break it down:My initial raise is standard. MP1, 7 handed table, ATo.Chris raised it, obv an insta call for me. Then Cop calls. I think he has to have a pretty strong hand, and certainly something that crushes ATo, but I'm getting 10-1. I wanted to fold very badly, but I'd have been pretty happy with a ATx flop, lol, or TTx., lol, etc. I can't fold for 10-1 preflop there.I highly doubt cop pushes any flop there, btw, and I'm pretty sure since he's showing down the hand no matter what, he only pushes when he's ahead.
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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:39 PM

View PostZach6668, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:32 PM, said:

Let me break it down:My initial raise is standard. MP1, 7 handed table, ATo.
not for me with the stacks laid out and Cop BB.But, personal pref. fine play.ok..Maybe Cop doesn't puash any flop...you did have 900 leftThinking you had 300, duh

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:44 PM

Anybody who condones calling KQo after a raise and a reraise is nuts.
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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:46 PM

View PostZach6668, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:44 PM, said:

Anybody who condones calling KQo after a raise and a reraise is nuts.
what if he had 6000 ?

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:47 PM

View PostActuary, on Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 1:46 AM, said:

what if he had 6000 ?
Ok, ammend my post to say, given the stacks/blinds and the situation.
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