Early Stages Of Tourney Again

[SpiderGuard 0]

Anyone mind offering feedback? Specifically, if Hero wants a call, what should I bet?Edit: This was real early in the single-table tourney. No real reads, stacks were all between about 1400 and 1800.Absolute PokerNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t15/t309 playersConverterPre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with :D 3 folds, MP2 calls t30 (pot was t45), MP3 folds, CO calls t30 (pot was t75), Button calls t30 (pot was t105), SB calls t15 (pot was t135), Hero checks.Flop: (t150, 5 players)SB checks, Hero bets t90, 2 folds, Button calls t90 (pot was t240), SB folds.Turn: (t330, 2 players)Hero bets t210, Button calls t210 (pot was t540).River: (t750, 2 players)Hero ???

[SCS 0]

I would bet about 300 here.

[SpiderGuard 0]

Anyone hate the flop bet?

[mcpickl 0]

I would bet about 300 here.

that seems about right, though id guess the other player has a busted draw so hes unlikely to call anythinga check and a prayer may be your only shot at getting more from this hand

[rocketpoker828 0]

Anyone hate the flop bet?

I like the idea but I would bet more, 125 seems like a good bet.

[IQCrash 1]

The only hand that beats you is J9. Considering he's been calling you down from the flop, unless he specifically had Js9s, you should play this like you had the absolute nuts.Now if he was on a spade draw, he's not calling you regardless of what you bet. So the only way I would play this is a gross overbet, not a value bet. You're not getting called by a busted draw, and he's calling you if he's got any piece of it (since he's called you all the way). Hopefully he has something like QT.I would overbet the pot, something around 800 to 1000 to make it seem like YOU had the busted straight/flush draw to induce a call and maybe even a raise by a set/pair/two pair.

[simo_8ball 1]

I play the hand the same and I bet 350 on the river.

[tskillz187 0]

Yeah, I'd probably push the river. Huge overbet, I'm not very good at getting value though and I love donks. So I try to find them quickly.

[Actuary 3]

I don't like betting the flop from EP into 4 others with oesd, at all.

[SpiderGuard 0]

Yeah, I'd probably push the river. Huge overbet, I'm not very good at getting value though and I love donks. So I try to find them quickly.

Which is why I try to play big pots in the beginning of tourneys: get the dead money early and then am free to play much tighter later. Unfortunately I screw that philosophy up too much to make it work.Actuary, I bet 90 chips out of about 1500 in my stack to pump up the pot a little bit in case I hit my straight. Why don't you like that? (Honestly looking for feedback)

[tskillz187 0]

Which is why I try to play big pots in the beginning of tourneys: get the dead money early and then am free to play much tighter later. Unfortunately I screw that philosophy up too much to make it work.Actuary, I bet 90 chips out of about 1500 in my stack to pump up the pot a little bit in case I hit my straight. Why don't you like that? (Honestly looking for feedback)

Well this is also my strategy too, when I have the nuts or close to it anyways. I usually just push and hope someone goes broke with top pair.I like your flop lead, it may get some callers, and can work to keep from getting bet off of your hand on the flop. I like that it was only 90 too.

[Actuary 3]

Actuary, I bet 90 chips out of about 1500 in my stack to pump up the pot a little bit in case I hit my straight. Why don't you like that? (Honestly looking for feedback)

I'd hate to see you raised out of the pot, and/or lose your audience if it's popped behind you and you end up HU OOP. It may be my Limit game talkng, but I'd rather c/c or c/r here a small amount if there are several callers to a betif you were cleaning up other outs, I'd like a bet, or in LP, I"d like it.

[gobears 0]

I like the hand on every street - I like the lead as it puts the idea into your opponents that you could have TP and disguises your draw. Works when you have a flush draw also. If you just check/call, it's more obvious that you're on a draw.On the river, it depends as 1/2 the time I'll value bet something around 400 and the other 1/2, I'll push.

[copernicus 0]

I like the hand on every street - I like the lead as it puts the idea into your opponents that you could have TP and disguises your draw. Works when you have a flush draw also. If you just check/call, it's more obvious that you're on a draw.On the river, it depends as 1/2 the time I'll value bet something around 400 and the other 1/2, I'll push.

Yup.

[SpiderGuard 0]

I definitely appreciate all the feedback. I felt like I was playing well yesterday and it looks like I didn't donk this hand up too badly so I feel good about that.To let everyone know what happened, I ended up betting about 80% of the post (600) and the guy ended up folding. Probably had a busted flush draw and wouldn't have called much of anything, but I think you all are right that I should have either pushed and made it a ridiculous overbet, or cut my bet about in half to get paid off. Thanks!

[Actuary 3]

to many times you'll lead the flop and miss the turn and be OOP vs 2-3 opponents. I still say flop lead is not good. For those that lead the flop, and miss the turn, do you c/c turn?To me that says draw just as much if not more, than c/c flop.I think c/.c gives you better implied odds because the bet you'll call is likely less than a bet (you make) and raise would be on average. If only 3 handed, I like a lead better to control the amount we pay for a draw here. And, I have more fold equity for a lower bet.

[gobears 0]

to many times you'll lead the flop and miss the turn and be OOP vs 2-3 opponents. I still say flop lead is not good. For those that lead the flop, and miss the turn, do you c/c turn?To me that says draw just as much if not more, than c/c flop.I think c/.c gives you better implied odds because the bet you'll call is likely less than a bet (you make) and raise would be on average. If only 3 handed, I like a lead better to control the amount we pay for a draw here. And, I have more fold equity for a lower bet.

In this hand, only one opponent came along - I fire another bullet on the turn as long as a spade doesn't fall. If multiple opponents had called my flop bet, then I would go into check/call mode on the turn assuming I was getting the right odds if a blank fell on the turn.

[SpiderGuard 0]

to many times you'll lead the flop and miss the turn and be OOP vs 2-3 opponents. I still say flop lead is not good. For those that lead the flop, and miss the turn, do you c/c turn?To me that says draw just as much if not more, than c/c flop.I think c/.c gives you better implied odds because the bet you'll call is likely less than a bet (you make) and raise would be on average. If only 3 handed, I like a lead better to control the amount we pay for a draw here. And, I have more fold equity for a lower bet.

What hands raise me here? Unless I'm up against a set I don't really see this bet getting raised often. I may be super results oriented here, but I don't seem to get raised that much in this position. That may be a function of this being on the rock garden known as Absolute Poker though, so I don't know.

[Actuary 3]

What hands raise me here? Unless I'm up against a set I don't really see this bet getting raised often. I may be super results oriented here, but I don't seem to get raised that much in this position. That may be a function of this being on the rock garden known as Absolute Poker though, so I don't know.

Really?A8 / 86s / flush draws, over pairsgosh, lots of hands.

[SpiderGuard 0]

Really?A8 / 86s / flush draws, over pairsgosh, lots of hands.

Overpair raises...I don't really see most of those others raising me, but maybe my aggro-donkish nature causes people to just let me bet in to them and donk off my chips that way. I appreciate the comments...I'll pay more attention to raises though from now on. I don't feel like I get raised much, but that could just be incredibly selective memory.

[holyfield 0]

i doubt a push on the river would ever get paid off here.just bet a small value bet, they will pay you to see your hand and how you played it, 800 is cool if you want to disguise how you played this hand and dont want to show but dont think thats a bet trying to get paid off. personally i bet 200 and proudly show(or get re-raised if im lucky haha), then i check next time in this situation, and use this raise to get paid off later when they think im betting a draw again and missed.

[copernicus 0]

i doubt a push on the river would ever get paid off here.just bet a small value bet, they will pay you to see your hand and how you played it, 800 is cool if you want to disguise how you played this hand and dont want to show but dont think thats a bet trying to get paid off. personally i bet 200 and proudly show(or get re-raised if im lucky haha), then i check next time in this situation, and use this raise to get paid off later when they think im betting a draw again and missed.

The stacks arent shown, but assuming they are all around 1500, 1200 after the action, then he only has to call a push 1/6 of the time he calls the 200. There are donks that are going to call thinking youre just trying to push them around, plus the times they have a Q and cant believe you go all the way to the K.

[Actuary 3]

The stacks arent shown, but assuming they are all around 1500, 1200 after the action, then he only has to call a push 1/6 of the time he calls the 200. There are donks that are going to call thinking youre just trying to push them around, plus the times they have a Q and cant believe you go all the way to the K.

lolwrong hand Copeit's my hand that goes to the K.not to say pushing is not correct here.. *************************What is your view of the flop bet?If you like it, I'll tell you why you shouldn't.thanks!

[timwakefield 69]

Haven't read any replies. My initial thoughts - check the flop and bet about 400 on the river.

[Briguy 0]

Nobody likes a check or maybe a weak lead to induce a bluff on the river? Villain certainly telegraphs a flush draw on the other streets.