Big Draw Bubble Play

[Actuary 3]

Button tight. Solid post flopBB pushed with some very marginal hands against some lousy opponentsNL Texas Hold'em $33 Buy-in Trny:29684585 Level:3 Blinds(50/100) - Friday, Total number of players : 3 Button ( $5480 )Actuary (SB) ( $3730 )BB ( $2790 )Blinds(50/100)** Dealing down cards **Actuary [ Jh 2h ]Button folds.Actuary calls [50].BB checks.** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 4d, 3h ]Pot 200How you play this?I lead for 150BB Raised to 300How you play it?I shoved

[trystero 0]

I play the same; I am leading so that I can get rr and therefore can jam. Against button though I may just call and see a turn, as he can bust me.

[tskillz187 0]

Fold PF

[Actuary 3]

Fold PF

no.He was bad post flop. See readsI do actually fold my SB a lot more than most

[holyfield 0]

how about dont push and actually play the game of poker, gross overbeti really hope he had something like Ah 6h to teach you a lesson

[simo_8ball 1]

Leading out 150 is fine, but I just call the min raise.

[trystero 0]

how about dont push and actually play the game of poker, gross overbeti really hope he had something like Ah 6h to teach you a lesson

?This is the game of poker. We don't hate a fold and if he calls then we have a huge enough draw to be about even money, if not a favorite. Should we lose we still have ~1k chips. We're gambling. Draws on this board are obvious and our hand's difficult to play OOP and get paid off.

[Actuary 3]

?This is the game of poker. We don't hate a fold and if he calls then we have a huge enough draw to be about even money, if not a favorite. Should we lose we still have ~1k chips. We're gambling. Draws on this board are obvious and our hand's difficult to play OOP and get paid off.

what he said.****************Holyfield,come back and defend your position.I'd like some serious feed back not just a short quip that tells me nothing about why you would play that wayYou realize the is 650 in the pot, right?And unless he has something like Ah6h or a set, he is behind.And if he is drawing with just a flush, it's a bad price.please return to explain, thanks.(I"m expecting others to agree with you; but hopefully they give reasons)*********************************************

Leading out 150 is fine, but I just call the min raise.

why ?

[tskillz187 0]

no.He was bad post flop. See readsI do actually fold my SB a lot more than most

I over fold my SB. But this is a dream flop for you, and you are probably 55-45 favorite over someone who you think is very trappable. I just dont think the reward is worth the risk.

[Actuary 3]

. I just dont think the reward is worth the risk.

for the push or the preflop call?

[simo_8ball 1]

Leading out 150 is fine, but I just call the min raise.

why ?

You always want so much.We are on the bubble, and I don't want to risk busting with a 53% edge. We are getting great odds to see a turn card.

[Actuary 3]

why ?You always want so much.We are on the bubble, and I don't want to risk busting with a 53% edge. We are getting great odds to see a turn card.

we can't bust.we would have 1000 with 100/50 blinds vs a tighty and a donkey

[tskillz187 0]

for the push or the preflop call?

For the PF complete. Once I complete it I look at the flop and go "Well this is why I shouldn't have effing completed."And then I play it the same way as you.

[simo_8ball 1]

we can't bust.we would have 1000 with 100/50 blinds vs a tighty and a donkey

OK, we can't bust. We can be crippled. Just take the generous 4/1 odds and see the turn.

[copernicus 0]

Pushing here looks more like an MTT play than STT. Youre on the bubble but a favorite in the hand. I would just call and see the turn. Pushing gambles the tourney or shuts out a lesser hand. It seems like theres lots of time to do that on the turn.

[Actuary 3]

I Want To Shut Out a Lesser (Made) Hand, or a Better FlushDrawOn turn I almost always lose equity or lose audience.FE + Draws, seems easy.Glad I posted.

[holyfield 0]

well i dont like the play because i dont want a "race" without a made hand with only 2 cards too come(id at least like a better "monster draw" than this, to go with some strong reads).your play to me looks like you got mad he dared to reraise your great draw so you pushed. you dont have enough information here, he could already have the straight, be reraising for a free card on the turn to pursue a flush, trips, monser draw like you etc etc. id call and then lead out the turn to get information and know where i really stand.also if you get called by someone who is playing bad i.e. the nuts flush draw or something, instead of that person being way behind they are way ahead, and the last thing i want to do is have someone i can destroy get an oppurtunity like that.and as the title states you are on the bubble pushing a draw for a smallish pot.sorry i was so harsh but i had just read your previous post where you semi bluffed then pushed a gutshot straight so i was still mad over that.

[copernicus 0]

I Want To Shut Out a Lesser (Made) Hand, or a Better FlushDrawOn turn I almost always lose equity or lose audience.FE + Draws, seems easy.Glad I posted.

No, you want lesser made hands to call, and flush draws to call without proper odds.The times when you lose equity on the turn are the times when a flop push turns out to be fatal, and losing market on the turn is why you make a callable bet on the flop.

[Actuary 3]

sorry i was so harsh but i had just read your previous post where you semi bluffed then pushed a gutshot straight so i was still mad over that.

lol.**********Do you semi bluff strong draws in tournaments sometimes?Ever on the Bubble?

[Actuary 3]

No, you want lesser made hands to call, and flush draws to call without proper odds.The times when you lose equity on the turn are the times when a flop push turns out to be fatal, [and losing market on the turn is why you make a callable bet on the flop.

No, I'm pretty sure I'd prefer any MADE hand or higher FD to fold here, seeing as there is 650 in the pot and I have 15 (18?) outs at bestAnd you'll need to explain the last bolded part to meMy point is that I"m ahead of a lot of made hands; but on the turn I'm eithre way behind made hands or likely getting paid off less from them.I just think the FE is too strong to take one card.I dont' hate calling...because I can probably play better than these guys; however, I don't see how you can say I want made hands to call. I guess you are saying that my 2:1 draw on the flop will show a better return by just calling the small bet, even if I can't get much from him on the turn or river afterwards. Yes, ok. Depends on the FE to me, then

[holyfield 0]

i play small ball in tournaments so you will rarely see me push all in like this, the reward of making it a harder decision or inducing folds isnt worth the loss in chips if i lose my all in and get busted out or the money i would make betting it out over the long run and re-evaluating after each street.i definitely bet semi bluffs at times, but i dont push all in with them.P.S. bets can accomplish many things, all ins can accomplish only 2, get a fold or get a call

[Actuary 3]

i definitely bet semi bluffs at times, but i dont push all in with them.

ok.It's important to know where you are coming from.thanks.

[holyfield 0]

also though i would like to add, against more opponents with a bigger pot this could be a good all in move/call. id just like better odds than you get here.i wouldnt have folded the draw wasicka i think had at the end of the WSOP main event, especially with the way jamie gold had been playing.

[Actuary 3]

villain had 3,5 (no hearts) and called

[simo_8ball 1]

Did you hit?