Zach6668 513 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)MP1 ($47.05)MP2 ($60.20)CO ($58.30)Button ($100.35)SB ($130.20)BB ($7.85)UTG ($9.80)Hero ($98.50)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q , A . UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold, UTG folds.Flop: ($10) 7 , Q , 5 (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB raises to $24, Hero ...No reads. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Meh, I fold. Reluctantly. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerfan1080 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 This is always a tough spot for me.Villain may see your bet as a whiffed c-bet and is trying to push you off the hand. Or, more likely, he hit a set. I don't think he would play back at you like that with AQ. I don't see a need to get TPTK involved with villain at this point and I would probably let it go. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Villain may see your bet as a whiffed c-bet and is trying to push you off the hand. Or, more likely, he hit a set. I don't think he would play back at you like that with AQ.Bad villains don't check-raise that big with sets. Granted, we don't know that he's bad. That is to say, this could just as easily be a flush draw as it is top pair or a set. The problem is that the stacks are pretty deep, so with no reads, I don't think we have to play a big pot with just TPTK. Link to post Share on other sites
throwemaway 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 This is exactly a scenario in the past when I have gotten stacked in NL cash and then vow to stop overplaying TPTKThen I do it againLather, rinse, repeat Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey16 1 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Bad villains don't check-raise that big with sets. Granted, we don't know that he's bad. That is to say, this could just as easily be a flush draw as it is top pair or a set. The problem is that the stacks are pretty deep, so with no reads, I don't think we have to play a big pot with just TPTK.Are you saying that a villain who's a good player will check raise that amount with a set there? Link to post Share on other sites
anyone1 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 i don't see how you could ever fold.. i mean, it's not overplaying tptk when you call a check/ raise that could easily be a worse q or flush draw or air or whatever. i guess you folded and he showed you a set or something? Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Are you saying that a villain who's a good player will check raise that amount with a set there?I'm saying that's a possibility. "Good" villains will realize that the board is coordinated, so they'll generally either lead out on the flop or check-raise a goodly amount. "Bad" villains put the min-check-raise. Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey16 1 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I'm saying that's a possibility. "Good" villains will realize that the board is coordinated, so they'll generally either lead out on the flop or check-raise a goodly amount. "Bad" villains put the min-check-raise.ok. Thanks for clarifying. I was thinking that was exactly the raise I'd put in there with a set, so I was just wonderin. Link to post Share on other sites
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