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[LeeDanger]

PokerStars Game #1412502051: Tournament #6255985, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2005/03/25 - 03:00:27 (ET)Table '6255985 30' Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: DoubleGutter (3095 in chips)Seat 2: TIMJACK (6205 in chips)Seat 3: moses39 (23960 in chips)Seat 4: Just Survive (29518 in chips)Seat 5: Rhettlee (2400 in chips)Seat 6: juicy69 (7165 in chips)Seat 7: fob4life30 (10415 in chips)Seat 8: MurphytheDog (3270 in chips)Seat 9: FAtALBuLLeT (25772 in chips)moses39: posts small blind 100Just Survive: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to DoubleGutter [Jc 9c]juicy69: calls 200FAtALBuLLeT: raises 500 to 700DoubleGutter: calls 700Just Survive: calls 500juicy69: calls 500*** FLOP *** [Qh 8s Th]Just Survive: checksjuicy69: bets 600FAtALBuLLeT: raises 1000 to 1600DoubleGutter: raises 795 to 2395 and is all-inJust Survive: foldsjuicy69: calls 1795FAtALBuLLeT: calls 795*** TURN *** [Qh 8s Th] [8d]juicy69: checksFAtALBuLLeT: bets 2000juicy69: calls 2000*** RIVER *** [Qh 8s Th 8d] [Ts]juicy69: bets 2070 and is all-inFAtALBuLLeT: calls 2070DoubleGutter said, "****"*** SHOW DOWN ***juicy69: shows [Td Ah] (a full house, Tens full of Eights)FAtALBuLLeT: shows [Kc Kd] (two pair, Kings and Tens)juicy69 collected 8140 from side potDoubleGutter: shows [Jc 9c] (a straight, Eight to Queen)juicy69 collected 10085 from main potWhat's A10 still doing in this hand with a raise and a reraise anyways? Especially with a raised hand preflop (I know some will say I had no business being there with J9 but this guy was bullying and I had position and then flopped the nuts).

[Swift_Psycho]

Meh, like you suggested, you shouldn't have been in the hand. You don't take a stand against the bully by calling one off 1/4 of your chips with such a marginal hand, even with position. You wait until you actually have a decent hand to go up against him with. Just because someone is bullying doesn't mean they never pick up hands. Besides, you only had position on the bully, there were a couple people behind you as well, so saying you had position is not a compelling argument for calling pre-flop. I know that he lost the hand too, but you did exactly what he wanted you to do; you changed your game by playing a bad hand to a big raise out of frustration (and he had a real hand this time too). Post-flop, that just sucks. You got unlucky, it happens.Oh, and please use the hand converter from now on. Reading these long HH's is horrible. Good luck.

[LeeDanger]

Swift_Psycho said:

Besides, you only had position on the bully, there were a couple people behind you as well, so saying you had position is not a compelling argument for calling pre-flop.

What??? I don't think you read the hand history right. You are right though I did make a call that I probably shouldn't have but I do like those sorts of hands in late position, it wasn't a call out of frustration. I was frustrated about the turn and river though. I consider myself a calm player but runner runner always hurts especially to two raises, but oh well.... I was very happy when they both called the flop.

[Swift_Psycho]

LeeDanger said:

Swift_Psycho said:

Besides, you only had position on the bully, there were a couple people behind you as well, so saying you had position is not a compelling argument for calling pre-flop.

What??? I don't think you read the hand history right. You are right though I did make a call that I probably shouldn't have but I do like those sorts of hands in late position, it wasn't a call out of frustration. I was frustrated about the turn and river though. I consider myself a calm player but runner runner always hurts especially to two raises, but oh well.... I was very happy when they both called the flop.

Yeah, you're right. I did misread the hand history, which is partly why I like the hand converter so much better.

[LeeDanger]

XXEddie said:

fold the crap preflop and this doesnt happen

In that case should I just fold every hand so I never get a bad beat or make any money?

[Emptyeye]

I've gotta agree with the "fold preflop and save yourself the frustration" concensus. J9s is NOT that great a hand, and it's DEFINITELY not worth calling a raise with.Having said that, that is a pretty terrible beat.