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#1 obs

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 06:22 PM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with A:club:, Q:club:. 4 folds.Flop: (9 SB) K:club:, K:spade:, 5:club: (4 players)SB checks, MP3 bets, SB folds, MP3 folds, CO calls.Turn: (7 BB) 4:diamond: (2 players)CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.River: (9 BB) 5:spade: (2 players)CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.Final Pot: 11 BBMP3 is tight (23 VPIP) passive. CO is loose passive. Was this raise correct?

#2 Emptyeye

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 06:24 PM

Yeah, the raise is fine.Not quite sure why you're betting the turn and especially the river, though.

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 06:35 PM

With only 1 other opponent in the pot, why not just check the turn to get a free river? With multiple opponents it may be good to build a pot for your flush draw but with only 1 opponent it just isnt worth it. Also, why bet the river if the guy is loose passive?

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 07:16 PM

Betting the turn is fine. If he folds 1 in _ times you profit. Plus, when you do hit your flush, you get an extra bet out of him. Betting the river is bad.
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Posted 24 March 2005 - 07:31 PM

wrto4556 said:

Betting the river is bad.

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#6 Emptyeye

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 07:33 PM

To elaborate a bit:If the CO is really as loose-passive as you think he is, he's going to call with anything and everything so long as he has even a tiny piece of the flop. The river bet when you don't improve is just begging to be called and paid off, unless he miraculously missed even more completely than you did.

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 07:35 PM

Emptyeye said:

To elaborate a bit:If the CO is really as loose-passive as you think he is, he's going to call with anything and everything so long as he has even a tiny piece of the flop. The river bet when you don't improve is just begging to be called and paid off, unless he miraculously missed even more completely than you did.
Do you expect him to call with 8 high?Q-high is all you're beating...maybe a counterfeited pair of threes but you are not ahead here enough times to make betting the river as a value bet. Check it down.You are only going to be called by a better hand, so why waste the bet?
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Posted 24 March 2005 - 07:36 PM

Erm, yeah, I messed that up royally.When I said "called and paid off", I meant that you'd be the one paying him off. Something went horrifically wrong in the journey from my brain to my fingers. :D

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 10:08 PM

Emptyeye said:

Erm, yeah, I messed that up royally.When I said "called and paid off", I meant that you'd be the one paying him off. Something went horrifically wrong in the journey from my brain to my fingers. :D
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Posted 24 March 2005 - 10:16 PM

Anyways, he did have queen high and I won the pot. Yea, the river bet was a mistake.

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Posted 25 March 2005 - 04:35 AM

KDawgCometh said:

wrto4556 wrote: Betting the river is bad.





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