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[dingas]

$3-$6 6-handed limit holdem

I open for a raise from UTG with 88, UTG+1 cold calls, button 3-bets, blinds fold, we both call.

Flop 10s 4s 8

check, check, button bets, I raise, UTG+1 3 bets, button calls, I call, planning to check-raise the turn.

Turn is an offsuit Q

I check, UTG+1 bets, Button raises

This raise threw me for a loop and I decided to abort my check-raise plan and just call down.

I normally play lower than $3-$6, and I expected that at this level, the button would have 1010 or QQ a good percentage of the time here. Am I giving my opponents too much credit?

[Actuary]

I lead the flop.

And Hope button still raises,and I get 3 bets in

Flop is draw-heavyish. And they like their hands, pump it.
Pump it before other scare cards come and hurt your action and/or your equity

As played, Turn is easy 3 -bet.

AQ = 12 combos
KK = 6 combos
TT + QQ = 6 combos.

You also have UTG+1 paying you off



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I normally play lower than $3-$6, and I expected that at this level, the button would have 1010 or QQ a good percentage of the time here. Am I giving my opponents too much credit?

at higher levels, you will be les able to put villain on a hand.
me thinks it's going to be more aggreesive, and thus AQ even more in his range. Also TT will pump the flop, a lot, given you all like your hands

[dingas]

Good post, Actuary.

Your point about the possibility of a scare card falling and killing the action is spot on. The river was a 9, putting 4 to a straight on the board and we just checked it down. My hand was good and I felt like a moron for missing a bunch of bets.

Do you think the button's turn raise with KK or AA would be normal here after that flop action? In his shoes, I think the only hands I would play that way are QQ, 1010, or AQ of spades. That was basically my thought process when I decided to just call the turn.

[showstopper24]

the play may be better but that won't make them luckier-play it how you would have played at lower limits

[Actuary]

Do you think the button's turn raise with KK or AA would be normal here after that flop action? .

fwiw, I left AA of the list, I should have put it on there with KK, making your equity even better.

ok, yeah, Button easily can put UTG+1 on something like 77/99, maybe passive JJ, or JTs (loose preflop), ATs. And you on a flush draw or JJ-KK.
He may prefer to charge you two on the turn, assuming UTG+1 will lead the turn. Given preflop, if Button has AA/KK he wold expect to be ahead of both of you even given the flop action enough to wait for the turn. If he caps the flop it's tougher to protect his hand and easier to narow his holdings.
And he extracts less value than a turn raise, when he's ahead of the likely range.

If UTG+1 is tight/passive, then Button would have to expect he should cap the flop to see what UTG+1 does on the turn.

just random thoughts

[Shimmering Wang]

Am I giving my opponents too much credit?

Haha, yeah: you are. Given the way you played the hand on the flop (which I kinda like, actually), you've gotta ram and jam the turn. No choice. 3 handed, with a flush draw out there? And random-ass gutshots and gutshot/pair combo hands? Please.

Just hammer the turn, and reevaluate onthe river

Wang