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[The Dude]

I'm in BB holding 5-2 , MP calls and SB completes. Blinds at 300/600 antes 50 and I hold 3000. MP has 5000 and SB 3150. Both players seem like they registered by mistake thinking it is a NL game. Very loose calling stations and they bluff to much. Flop comes; 2 4 7 SB leads out and bets. I have him on the flush draw and call, MP also calls, which can mean anything from another flush draw to two over cards. Not for a second do I believe they have any part of this flop!Turn; T Not the worse card that could have come out. The SB again leads out, now I'm certain I have him beat. This time I raise to force out MP. MP duly folds and SB looks like he's been caught with his fingers in the cookie jar. He ponders this raise for what seems like an hour. Finally he calls, which leaves us both commited to the pot what ever the river brings.River; 5 Bad card, bad bad card. SB throws in his remaining chips and I call. He flips his cards over and shows; 8 6 Now then, my read wasn't the best, but at least I was right in as much as he was on a draw. His lead on the flop is even stranger in this context, a gut shot and not a lot else really. The turn as it turns out was quite a poor card as it gave him an OESD but I believe I'm still about 75% favourite at the turn. The question is would you have folded at any time here if you believed your read was correct? Do you believe it was to marginal as he obviously had over cards to my pair? Did we both just play really badly neither of us deserving to win?Feel free to berate my play, I would probably make the same play if in the same position again. I'm just wondering how other people would play the same hand with the same read.

[holman3rd]

The Dude said:

I'm in BB holding 5-2 , MP calls and SB completes. Blinds at 300/600 antes 50 and I hold 3000. MP has 5000 and SB 3150. Both players seem like they registered by mistake thinking it is a NL game. Very loose calling stations and they bluff to much.  Flop comes; 2 4 7  SB leads out and bets. I have him on the flush draw and call, MP also calls, which can mean anything from another flush draw to two over cards. Not for a second do I believe they have any part of this flop!Turn; T  Not the worse card that could have come out. The SB again leads out, now I'm certain I have him beat. This time I raise to force out MP. MP duly folds and SB looks like he's been caught with his fingers in the cookie jar.  He ponders this raise for what seems like an hour. Finally he calls, which leaves us both commited to the pot what ever the river brings.River; 5  Bad card, bad bad card. SB throws in his remaining chips and I call.  He flips his cards over and shows; 8 6 Now then, my read wasn't the best, but at least I was right in as much as he was on a draw.  His lead on the flop is even stranger in this context, a gut shot and not a lot else really. The turn as it turns out was quite a poor card as it gave him an OESD but I believe I'm still about 75% favourite at the turn.  The question is would you have folded at any time here if you believed your read was correct? Do you believe it was to marginal as he obviously had over cards to my pair? Did we both just play really badly neither of us deserving to win?Feel free to berate my play, I would probably make the same play if in the same position again. I'm just wondering how other people would play the same hand with the same read.

Raise the flop, especially if you have him on a draw. Turn and River play are fine, imo, given your note that this player bluffs too much.By the way, not sure whey you describe this person as a "calling station" that bluffs too much. Seems like an odd combination. Reason I ask, is that if you think this person is a calling station, I would have folded the turn after he led into me (following what would have been a flop raise by me). Calling stations only get aggressive when then have something--I consider betting into a raiser to be aggressive.A calling station would have probably played the hand like this:Flop: Check...CallTurn: Check...CallRiver: Bet....reraise if you raised.On the other hand, if you think he bluffs too much, I raise the turn and the river.As you can see, your descriptions of his play are conflicting with each other, at least in my opinion.

[The Dude]

Calling station as in pre flop just about any two cards are good enough for a call and only a call, even to a raise. Their raise button didn't seem to work at all. Post flop they tended to get a bit trickier by bluffing in any given situation from any position. I do see what you mean by the confliction I just didnt explain myself very well and it's more just loose play than being a CS. Thanks for the imput, much appreciated. I thought about the raise on the flop but decided to see what the turn brought. In hindsight its probably the only place I could have won the pot from.

[holman3rd]

The Dude said:

Calling station as in pre flop just about any two cards are good enough for a call and only a call, even to a raise. Their raise button didn't seem to work at all. Post flop they tended to get a bit trickier by bluffing in any given situation from any position. I do see what you mean by the confliction I just didnt explain myself very well and it's more just loose play than being a CS.  Thanks for the imput, much appreciated. I thought about the raise on the flop but decided to see what the turn brought. In hindsight its probably the only place I could have won the pot from.

OK, we're just using different definitions. A player who calls almost any two preflop is a loose player, imo.A calling station is someone who will play very passively throughout the hand by just calling and rarely raising. They usually call when they have at least some kind of hand or are playing table sheriff. Calling stations are great because they call when they shouldn't (which is EV+ for you), and they raise when then are very strong.Given the way you describe this player, I would describe them as LAG (loose aggressive). Given that, I raise the flop, turn and river here.