3 Bet The River, Or No?

[TheCorporation3 0]

The read on the player is that he/she is very tight, only plays premium hands, and does not donk away chips with speculative hands.***** Hand history (v1.2) *****Hand ID 60975701$2/$4 Texas Hold'em (Split Limit) - 15:09:32 25/09/2006 ETTable 'Burn', 10 seats max, Real moneySeat 2 is the button. Small Blind $1, Big Blind $2Note: seat IDs range from 0 to 9Seat 0 (playing) : Player 0, amount $169.25, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 1 (playing) : Player 1, amount $131.25, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 2 (playing) : Player 2, amount $170.50, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 3 (playing) : Player 3, amount $106, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 4 (playing) : Player 4, amount $64.21, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 5 (playing) : Player 5, amount $103.64, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 7 (playing) : thecorp3, amount $57.35, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 8 (playing) : Player 8, amount $135.75, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 9 (playing) : Player 9, amount $190.50, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Player 3: Small Blind ($1)Player 4: Big Blind ($2)** Dealing Down Cards **Dealt to thecorp3: [Ac, As]Player 5: Foldthecorp3: Raise ($4)Player 8: FoldPlayer 9: FoldPlayer 0: FoldPlayer 1: FoldPlayer 2: Raise ($6)Player 3: FoldPlayer 4: Foldthecorp3: Raise ($4)Player 2: Call ($2)** Dealing Flop **Community cards: [Ks, Kd, 8c]thecorp3: Bet ($2)Player 2: Call ($2)** Dealing Turn **Community cards: [Tc]thecorp3: Check ($0)Player 2: Bet ($4)thecorp3: Call ($4)** Dealing River **Community cards: [Kc]thecorp3: Bet ($4)Player 2: Raise ($8)thecorp3: Call ($4)Should I have just called this river, or 3 bet?AND , here is the other one...Tell me if you think I played it right/wrong?***** Hand history (v1.2) *****Hand ID 60977224$2/$4 Texas Hold'em (Split Limit) - 15:16:34 25/09/2006 ETTable 'Burn', 10 seats max, Real moneySeat 5 is the button. Small Blind $1, Big Blind $2Note: seat IDs range from 0 to 9Seat 0 (playing) : Player 0, amount $164.25, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 1 (playing) : Player 1, amount $128.25, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 2 (playing) : Player 2, amount $137, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 3 (playing) : Player 3, amount $98, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 4 (playing) : Player 4, amount $80.96, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 5 (playing) : Player 5, amount $114.64, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 6 (playing) : Player 6, amount $82, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 7 (playing) : thecorp3, amount $76.60, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 8 (playing) : Player 8, amount $166.50, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 9 (playing) : Player 9, amount $148.50, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Player 6: Small Blind ($1)thecorp3: Big Blind ($2)** Dealing Down Cards **Dealt to thecorp3: [Ac, Qh]Player 8: FoldPlayer 9: FoldPlayer 0: FoldPlayer 1: FoldPlayer 2: FoldPlayer 3: FoldPlayer 4: Call ($2)Player 5: FoldPlayer 6: Call ($1)thecorp3: Raise ($2)Player 4: Call ($2)Player 6: Call ($2)** Dealing Flop **Community cards: [Ad, Qs, 6h]Player 6: Check ($0)thecorp3: Bet ($2)Player 4: Raise ($4)Player 6: Foldthecorp3: Call ($2)** Dealing Turn **Community cards: [Td]thecorp3: Check ($0)Player 4: Bet ($4)thecorp3: Raise ($8)Player 4: Raise ($8)thecorp3: Raise ($8)Player 4: Call ($4)** Dealing River **Community cards: [8d]thecorp3: Check ($0)Player 4: Bet ($4)thecorp3: Call ($4)How do you like the play(s) on this one?One more...check out this SWEET turn, and a terrible river. How do we play this one? You like?***** Hand history (v1.2) *****Hand ID 60979344$2/$4 Texas Hold'em (Split Limit) - 15:26:35 25/09/2006 ETTable 'Burn', 10 seats max, Real moneySeat 3 is the button. Small Blind $1, Big Blind $2Note: seat IDs range from 0 to 9Seat 0 (playing) : Player 0, amount $179, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 1 (playing) : Player 1, amount $112.25, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 2 (playing) : Player 2, amount $139.50, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 3 (playing) : Player 3, amount $98, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 4 (playing) : Player 4, amount $95.71, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 5 (playing) : Player 5, amount $111.39, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 6 (playing) : Player 6, amount $88.75, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 7 (playing) : thecorp3, amount $35.60, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 8 (playing) : Player 8, amount $174, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Seat 9 (playing) : Player 9, amount $152.50, amount bet $0, penalty (None)Player 4: Small Blind ($1)Player 5: Big Blind ($2)** Dealing Down Cards **Dealt to thecorp3: [Kd, Ad]Player 6: Foldthecorp3: Raise ($4)Player 8: FoldPlayer 9: FoldPlayer 0: FoldPlayer 1: FoldPlayer 2: Raise ($6)Player 3: FoldPlayer 4: FoldPlayer 5: Foldthecorp3: Raise ($4)Player 2: Call ($2)** Dealing Flop **Community cards: [4d, Qd, 9h]thecorp3: Bet ($2)Player 2: Call ($2)** Dealing Turn **Community cards: [Jd]thecorp3: Bet ($4)Player 2: Raise ($8)thecorp3: Raise ($8)Player 2: Call ($4)** Dealing River **Community cards: [4s]thecorp3: Check ($0)Do you like the check? Or no? I can't put him/her on a possible QQ or JJ, but the river seemed to kill me.

[Actuary 3]

I like betting the turn in the first AA handfold to a raise against straight forward players.If called on turn, I would c/c this river.If player makes moves often, then check/call down looks good on turn and riverShe doesn't have QQ- enough to bet out or certainly to 3-bet river.Would she ever fold AA on river, even to a c/r? not worth it.my limit is rusty

[TheCorporation3 0]

I like betting the turn in the first AA handfold to a raise against straight forward players.If called on turn, I would c/c this river.If player makes moves often, then check/call down looks good on turn and riverShe doesn't have QQ- enough to bet out or certainly to 3-bet river.Would she ever fold AA on river, even to a c/r? not worth it.my limit is rusty

I also thought that I should've lead the turn and if raised then c/c the river too. Since Villian wasn't playing too many pots, and was SUPER tight, I put Villian on AK or maybe QQ. When the turn came it was even less likely for Villian to have AK at that point, but that is what I initially put him on. I jus thought it was a slim chance to 3 bet for value. Thank you for your input. What about the others?

[Actuary 3]

AQ looks goodI think about just calling the turn 3-bet and bet/calling the riverBut that works best against hands that are semi bluffing turn with marginal made hands and looknig to get a free showdown. i think villain has 66 or AT enough here to bet river for us. So, I like getting 4 bets in against AT on turn, just in case he checks behind with it on river. 66 will bet no mater what.

I also thought that I should've lead the turn and if raised then c/c the river too.

to be clear, I fold if raised on turn.What are we beating?against a straight forward player.After more consideration, I'd c/c down against a lot of players on turn and river. But I'm never leading river. QQ might might stay in and bet if we c/c down, whereas leading gets raised by 2AK's and we split with the 1AA

[TheCorporation3 0]

AQ looks goodI think about just calling the turn 3-bet and bet/calling the riverBut that works best against hands that are semi bluffing turn with marginal made hands and looknig to get a free showdown. i think villain has 66 or AT enough here to bet river for us. So, I like getting 4 bets in against AT on turn, just in case he checks behind with it on river. 66 will bet no mater what.to be clear, I fold if raised on turn.What are we beating?against a straight forward player.After more consideration, I'd c/c down against a lot of players on turn and river. But I'm never leading river. QQ might might stay in and bet if we c/c down, whereas leading gets raised by 2AK's and we split with the 1AA

I felt I had to lead the river because at that point he would pay me off with any pocket pair.

[Actuary 3]

AdKd,seems fine to me.Unless he's very loose aggressive, I don't think you should lead the river.He has a boat to often

I felt I had to lead the river because at that point he would pay me off with any pocket pair.

after your pf cap, is he calling the flop with any PP?how wide would he think your cappnig range is?

[TheCorporation3 0]

AdKd,seems fine to me.Unless he's very loose aggressive, I don't think you should lead the river.He has a boat to oftenafter your pf cap, is he calling the flop with any PP?how wide would he think your cappnig range is?

True, good point...

[CoranMoran 0]

my limit is rusty

why did you just off the limit wagon?-cm

[Zach6668 513]

Try this for converting WPEX hands, at last check, the were working on it:http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter

[Actuary 3]

why did you just off the limit wagon?-cm

stomach.....knots and wife....timewill return one day, when happier and have more will to study

[TheCorporation3 0]

Try this for converting WPEX hands, at last check, the were working on it:http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter

I tried using it, but it didn't work. Did I just post it wrong?

[Zach6668 513]

I tried using it, but it didn't work. Did I just post it wrong?

Na, it's possible it doesn't work yet.Like I said, last I checked, they were still having problems.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Hand 1 looks fine to me. You're not losing more based on your line than if you bet/folded the turn.Hand 2: I only call the 3-bet unless you have been trying to push players off stuff on 4th street and have gotten called previouslyHand 3: It's a bet/call against a TAG. I'm almost certain he'll check behind if he doesn't have a boat.