question about smash's 19 word guide to nl

[JG8191 0]

First post but a long time forum reader - since the forum started. I am knowledgeable in that I read everything available about poker and have played enough hands to know what I am doing and have a good feel for the game. Anyway, I heard of Smash's guide to playing NL BUT I cannot find it anywhere in the forum's and I have searched for it. It may be because Smash has over 3300 posts. I know that he says that it's boring but it's profitable. I am going to Vegas tomorrow morning with a roll of about $500. I am planning on playing 3/6 (possibly 4/8) limit and am curious to try out the $100 NL buy in at the Luxor (I believe that's what people have recommended). I play in cash NL cash games around my neighborhood as well as playing on Party (limit only - .5/1). Anyway I should approach the Vegas NL games any differently? I really want to play limit in Vegas just so I can make a bit of money instead of grinding it out at the 3/6 tables. Any advice appreciated.

[cdxx 0]

First post but a long time forum reader - since the forum started. I am knowledgeable in that I read everything available about poker and have played enough hands to know what I am doing and have a good feel for the game. Anyway, I heard of Smash's guide to playing NL BUT I cannot find it anywhere in the forum's and I have searched for it. It may be because Smash has over 3300 posts. I know that he says that it's boring but it's profitable. I am going to Vegas tomorrow morning with a roll of about $500. I am planning on playing 3/6 (possibly 4/8) limit and am curious to try out the $100 NL buy in at the Luxor (I believe that's what people have recommended). I play in cash NL cash games around my neighborhood as well as playing on Party (limit only - .5/1). Anyway I should approach the Vegas NL games any differently? I really want to play limit in Vegas just so I can make a bit of money instead of grinding it out at the 3/6 tables. Any advice appreciated.

never heard of the guide, but would really like to check it out.$500 is not nearly enough to play the games you mentioned. try a tournament or two and play a lot of poker for relatively cheap. the most your bank would allow is 1/2 but the rake will kill you. just try to have a good time and not waste all your money.

[akishore 0]

to cdxx: i don't think $500 is his bankroll, but rather just the money he's bringing with him. i might be wrong.to the OP:smash's guide is basically to play only PP's and Axs, and to push hard (or just push all-in) when you hit the nut flush or a set.this works well online if you have the patience for it and are in a calling-station-ish game where the weak players don't notice any other players' tendencies in the least bit. it won't work live, however... i almost guarantee it.good luck,aseem

[Smasharoo 0]

it won't work live, however... i almost guarantee it. Works better live, actually.Why you'd think live NL games were tougher than online ones mesmerizes me.

[jayistheman 0]

it won't work live, however... i almost guarantee it. Works better live, actually.Why you'd think live NL games were tougher than online ones mesmerizes me.

i think its because there is a constant flow of new players into the game online... they wont pin you on a style or strategy... people also don't pay as much attention to how you are playing.

[akishore 0]

it won't work live, however... i almost guarantee it. Works better live, actually.Why you'd think live NL games were tougher than online ones mesmerizes me.

i think live, people tend to notice if you haven't played a hand in 7 rounds. maybe not at the casinos, though, i could be wrong.aseem

[Smasharoo 0]

i think live, people tend to notice if you haven't played a hand in 7 rounds.How does that help them, exactly? Can they tell when you hit a set or complete a flush?Do you think they're thinking to themselves "Hmm, this guy is farily tight, he must be only playing Axs and pocket pairs and waiting for sets or nut flushes"Or do you think they think "The flop is A47 and this guy bet, he must have AK because he's so tight, I'm going all in with my top two bay-be!!!" before you call and flip 44 over?

[Smasharoo 0]

i think its because there is a constant flow of new players into the game online... they wont pin you on a style or strategy... people also don't pay as much attention to how you are playing.Hahahah. Right, but live NL players are carefullly studying you looking for tells and determining your complex betting pattern of limping or calling and then betting when you hit a big hand.Because of this they'll easily lay down TPTK to your bet on a ragged board, because that's what live NL players do, play unagressively and lay down a lot of hands.

[akishore 0]

i think live, people tend to notice if you haven't played a hand in 7 rounds.How does that help them, exactly? Can they tell when you hit a set or complete a flush?Do you think they're thinking to themselves "Hmm, this guy is farily tight, he must be only playing Axs and pocket pairs and waiting for sets or nut flushes"Or do you think they think "The flop is A47 and this guy bet, he must have AK because he's so tight, I'm going all in with my top two bay-be!!!" before you call and flip 44 over?

haha that "top two bay-be" line cracked me up. so basically, the players are so weak that even if they do notice that you are super-tight, they won't really do anything about it.alright, give it a try.aseem

[jayistheman 0]

if someone watches even half-assed, they will notice your showing of sets and flushes in every showdown.you really do feel that nobody else has a shred of intelligence, don't ya?

[Smasharoo 0]

if someone watches even half-assed, they will notice your showing of sets and flushes in every showdown.Of course they won't.How many pots do you figure you'll be winning showdowns in per hour playing live that people are going to start compiling mental notes on you.You need to get out and play live more, really. You're overthinking this so ludicrously it's painfull to watch.you really do feel that nobody else has a shred of intelligence, don't ya?Nobody? That's silly.People with pictures of Rambo as their avatars....well that's really not much of a quantum leap there, now is it?

[Smasharoo 0]

so basically, the players are so weak that even if they do notice that you are super-tight, they won't really do anything about it. I'm fuzzy on what they *could* do about it.Let's say I explain to you what I'm doing.How is it going to change your play against me?Will you fold any time I bet?I think you can see how I might be able to exploit that to my advantage, no?

[jayistheman 0]

People with pictures of Rambo as their avatars....well that's really not much of a quantum leap there, now is it?that cut deepcheers!

[Smasharoo 0]

that cut deep I try.I trust that you won't be curling up in a ball in the fetal position under your desk sucking your thumb and whimpering over it.

[jayistheman 0]

nah.. i think im gonna go get shit faced at the bar and beat my wife though

[Smasharoo 0]

nah.. i think im gonna go get censored faced at the bar and beat my wife though Well, if you get so drunk that you kick the wife and **** the dog...Give the dog one extra for me

[jayistheman 0]

hes a mini dachshund too... he flies far when ya kick him... not sure about ****ing tho... a bit ironic to do that to a wiener dog, no?

[NikolaiPutin 0]

I played at the Luxor earlier this month. It is a $50 min/max buy in with a 1/1/2 blind structure (it was common for people to wait for a blind a reload for another $50). Anyway I saw some crazy plays and got sucked out on more than once. For example I had the nut flush on the flop with about $75 in the pot I reraise all in and this guy calls with two pair. Yeah of course he got the boat. Anyway I think playing only premiums is excellent advice under that sort of condition. Just make sure you have the best hand when you go all in and brace yourself you just might get rivered.Good luck.

[woutoR 0]

back to the topic where can we find this guide?

[Absolute 0]

Smash = Dewey Tomko?i think live, people tend to notice if you haven't played a hand in 7 rounds. maybe not at the casinos, though, i could be wrong. aseemhow right you are aseem.

Do you think they're thinking to themselves "Hmm, this guy is farily tight, he must be only playing Axs and pocket pairs and waiting for sets or nut flushes"

In any game with good players, yes I do.

How many pots do you figure you'll be winning showdowns in per hour playing live that people are going to start compiling mental notes on you.

Again, in any good game, people probably will.I guess you've been playing pick-up games with the neighborhood bridge ladies? A couple glasses of wine and they forget their hole cards every time?Smash is probably correct here now that I think about it. There is no such thing as a quality NL ring game where players properly recognize tight/aggressive players and get out of their way.

[Smasharoo 0]

Smash is probably correct here now that I think about it. There is no such thing as a quality NL ring game where players properly recognize tight/aggressive players and get out of their way.There's this thing called "Game Selection"why would you play in a game with observant players who are going to attempt to counteract your strategy when you can play in games with horrible fish?

[Absolute 0]

The same reason Phil Ivey, Doyle Brunson, Chip Reese, Chau Giang, and Gus Hansen all play together every night.*I guess*

[ahosang 0]

The same reason Phil Ivey, Doyle Brunson, Chip Reese, Chau Giang, and Gus Hansen all play together every night.*I guess*

That's an extreme example. They need to play the highest level because that motivates them. They are in the highest bracket. Us less bankrolled(and less skilled) players can use table selection as a very important part of our poker game.

[Absolute 0]

Just because they are more skilled and wealthy doesn't mean they don't enjoy the competition.I really don't think Doyle sits at that game for "motivation".I think he likes to play a good game.So do I.Nothing kills me more than sitting at a table with fish string-betting, misdealing, taking forever to play a hand, flipping over cards early.It's not worth the money you win doing it, to me.

[looshle 6]

Just because they are more skilled and wealthy doesn't mean they don't enjoy the competition.I really don't think Doyle sits at that game for "motivation".I think he likes to play a good game.So do I.Nothing kills me more than sitting at a table with fish string-betting, misdealing, taking forever to play a hand, flipping over cards early.It's not worth the money you win doing it, to me.

They sit at that game because it's the only table that supports the stakes they play at. I would actually love .05/.10 players sitting at my 2/4 or 3/6 table because it would mean more money for me. I enjoy making more money more than I do playing against better players. I play to make money and it's ludicris to sit there and say " I hate playing against fish, I like playing against better players."