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[CobaltBlue]

Bodog .25/.50 NLHE (9-handed)

Cobalt $76
UTG+1 $45
BB $54

Cobalt is UTG w/ A K . BB is new, so no read.

Pre-flop:
Cobalt raises to $2, UTG+1 calls, 6 folds, BB calls

Flop ($7): 4 7 K (3 players)
BB bets $4, Cobalt raises to $16, 1 fold, BB calls

Turn ($39): K (2 players)
BB insta-pushes for $36, Cobalt ?

[trystero]

Awesome card.

I know you said you have no read, but it really depends on your read of villain because this situation can be interpreted in one of two ways. One, he's a donk. He donkbets TP and decides to call your raise because you might have a set. But the turn brings trips!!!!!!! so all-in!!!!

Two, he leads out with his set or flush draw. Then your raise telegraphs AK. UTG raise and then a flop reraise on a king high board. So when the turn completes his fullhouse or flush, he knows you are calling a push no matter what. You have three of a kind. No one folds three of a kind.

Without a better read, I would fold. I'm a bit gun shy, however, because I've had a history of overplaying trips on boards just like this.

[bdc30]

Turn ($39): K (2 players)
BB insta-pushes for $36, Cobalt ?

Insta calls. If he has a flush, at least you have outs.

[No_Neck]

you have to call against an unknown. there are just to many other hands that you can beat.

I have a feeling to was a set and he now has a full house though.

[Actuary]

call.

2:1 and you are 21% to hit a boat/quads.

I think when you are behind, it's a baby flush much more than a boat, based on his push. I think a boat bets less, or c/r'es. So more of your outs are available than if he has a boat.

If you are ahead 15% already, well, then you got to call.

[benhoug]

I agree w/ everyone else's line. It sucks if he got there, but your hand is big, and you're totally in the dark about opponent, so you've gotta call.

[CobaltBlue]

Well, I went with the almost insta-call. I'm glad that some of y'all are thinking along those lines, cause I was certainly doubting myself based on the results when he flipped over the Qc7c...or at least doubting the quickness with which I made the call. Basically, the turn was gin for him...even though it ended up opening the door to losing (though he did win).

If we flip this hand around, what do we think of his play?

[Actuary]

If we flip this hand around, what do we think of his play?

I'm probably chek raising the flop all in if I'm him

If for some reason, I don't think there's a great chance you'll bet this flop, I'll lead like he did, and re-raise all in.

As played the turn push is great.
Without a K you'd fold to a small bet anyway.
With a K, there's a decent chance you call the push.
If another club hits river, his payoff chances take a dive.

- some Kings might check the turn. So I like his lead for that as well.

[TheCorporation3]

Well, I went with the almost insta-call. I'm glad that some of y'all are thinking along those lines, cause I was certainly doubting myself based on the results when he flipped over the Qc7c...or at least doubting the quickness with which I made the call. Basically, the turn was gin for him...even though it ended up opening the door to losing.

If we flip this hand around, what do we think of his play?

I would also like to add that it was very possible for him too to have the K but with an obvious lower kicker (KQ, KJ, K10) and maybe 1 club. Or even an Ace of clubs with the pair of 7's. (A7) I'm not saying that if he had any of these holdings it was a good push on villians part, but I wouldn't be surprise if he had KQ or KJ. I like the call, just a tough spot for you.

I'm probably chek raising the flop all in if I'm him

If for some reason, I don't think there's a great chance you'll bet this flop, I'll lead like he did, and re-raise all in.

As played the turn push is great.
Without a K you'd fold to a small bet anyway.
With a K, there's a decent chance you call the push.
If another club hits river, his payoff chances take a dive.

- some Kings might check the turn. So I like his lead for that as well.

Exactly what I would've said, had we been the villian.

[trystero]

Well, I went with the almost insta-call. I'm glad that some of y'all are thinking along those lines, cause I was certainly doubting myself based on the results when he flipped over the Qc7c...or at least doubting the quickness with which I made the call. Basically, the turn was gin for him...even though it ended up opening the door to losing (though he did win).

You might want to get this hand investigated. The 7c was on the flop.

[CobaltBlue]

You might want to get this hand investigated. The 7c was on the flop.

That's what I get for posting from memory. The "7c" on the flop was probably the 8c.

[No_Neck]

does everyone notice that the insta push usually means strong? That is what I have been noticing lately.

[Scott3705]

does everyone notice that the insta push usually means strong? That is what I have been noticing lately.

Generally, I think you're right now which is why Zach's AA hand needed a significant read to make a call. It's not a solid rule, but I think its a tool of a lot of low limit players.

[TheCorporation3]

Generally, I think you're right now which is why Zach's AA hand needed a significant read to make a call. It's not a solid rule, but I think its a tool of a lot of low limit players.

Yes, but it is also a sign of 100% weakness. So many times I have seen a donkey push (insta push) with jack just to "represent" the strength of instapush being strong, and/or a terrible bluff to take down the pot. Not everyone knows the game, and not everyone is as good as we think. I think we sometimes give too much credit to other players. Until you have a strong read/good info it is hard to make generalizations like instapush meaning strong.


By the way you play, I will stick to General, but you need to stick to 10NL. Let the big boys play in the big games. If you're sitting 100NL and can't call $34 with top two pair with a paired board with $20 in the pot, maybe NL isn't your game. 10NL would probably suit you much better. That, or limit. (You started it so don't bi.tch about me being a jackass either)

[Actuary]

By the way you play, I will stick to General, but you need to stick to 10NL. Let the big boys play in the big games. If you're sitting 100NL ...

100NL is for the big boys?

[TheCorporation3]

100NL is for the big boys?

Read the rest smart guy. I was referring to Zach's other hand where the same guy on here said he would fold top 2 pair to a pot sized bet. Quit trying to look so cute and smart and funny all the time and read the rest. Reading is fundamental.

[Actuary]

Read the rest smart guy. I was referring to Zach's other hand where the same guy on here said he would fold top 2 pair to a pot sized bet. Quit trying to look so cute and . smart and funny all the time and read the rest. Reading is fundamental.

yeah, I did.
Seems like you were saying Scott should stick to the 10NL and leave big games alone. You then reference a 100NL decision you disagreed with. Sems to imply that you think 100NL is more of a big boy game

it's not hard to make you look silly.

[TheCorporation3]

yeah, I did.
Seems like you were saying Scott should stick to the 10NL and leave big games alone. You then reference a 100NL decision you disagreed with. Sems to imply that you think 100NL is more of a big boy game

it's not hard to make you look silly.

I never linked a "big game" and 100NL. I just..


-Told him to stick to his normal 10NL

-Told him he is obviously too scared to play 100NL, which is why he plays 10Nl

-Never said or atleast meant to imply that 100NL is a "big" game

Friends?

[Actuary]

I never linked a "big game" and 100NL. I just..
-Told him to stick to his normal 10NL

-Told him he is obviously too scared to play 100NL, which is why he plays 10Nl

-Never said or atleast meant to imply that 100NL is a "big" game

Friends?

ok, I linked them erroneously.

We'll be E-friends as soon as you stop getting all up in the grill of guys I like on here. Scott contributes quite a bit.

[DrawingDeadInDM]

Call.

And Corp, do not post in this forum again.

Seriously.