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[pokerkid 0]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Preflop: Hero is BB with J , K . 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.Flop: (6 SB) 6 , 6 , T (3 players)SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.Turn: (4.50 BB) 7 (3 players)SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.River: (4.50 BB) K (3 players)SB bets, Hero calls...Anyone like?

[akishore 0]

Yep, it's good.AseemEdit: just want to add that the turn can be bet 20%ish of the time, maybe 25%, somewhere in that ballpark. Don't want to always be checking, but checking > betting most times. If you have a particular donkey read on the SB, I think raising 20-30% of the time is pretty sexy because a lot of donkeys will bet on a bluff but still be unable to fold because they want to see your hand. Or they'll bet out with the T or the 7 or a worse K, and a raise has lots of good value because Button is almost insignificant now since no draws came through on the river and Button didn't bet the turn.

[CoranMoran 0]

I think a raise-fold line is playable here.--cm

[pokerkid 0]

I think a raise-fold line is playable here.--cm

Is overcall safer?

[akishore 0]

Is overcall safer?

overcall means to call after someone else has called. I think you are misusing the term. What exactly did you mean?Aseem

[Zach6668 513]

overcall means to call after someone else has called. I think you are misusing the term. What exactly did you mean?Aseem

He's asking about going for the overcall instead of raising.

[akishore 0]

Oh gotcha, my bad.Normally, going for the overcall in this hand would be very important. Two scenarios:a) you have the best hand. You raise, button usually folds to two cold with any worse hand, and sb will almost never three-bet with a worse hand. So you win one extra. If you just call, instead, button's call will also win you the same, one extra.B) sb has the worst hand. You raise, button will fold with any worse hand, and sb will usually three-bet with a better hand -- the only exceptions are AK, KQ (both of which are kind of rare) and KT/K7, and even those last two might three-bet sometimes. So you lose two by raising. By calling instead, you just lose on.So clearly calling would normally be better.HOWEVER, I think in this hand, button is almost irrelevant. We have no reason to believe he would overcall even one.So I wouldn't really worry about the overcall, just play it as if it were heads up.The general principle from Small Stakes HE is that with strong but not super strong hands on the river, with multiple players to act behind you, when facing a bet on the river, you should go for overcalls rather than raising, because it has a higher EV.Aseem

[KDawgCometh 2]

I think a raise-fold line is playable here.--cm

I agree wholeheartedly. He's donking this river with a lot, and any ten or lesser king will call our two cold in a heartbeat. Anything that has us smoked is definetly three betting

[TheCinciKid 0]

I don't particularly like the pre-flop raise. Anyone care to tell me why I'm wrong?

[akishore 0]

I don't particularly like the pre-flop raise. Anyone care to tell me why I'm wrong?

equity edge.aseem

[TheCinciKid 0]

equity edge.aseem

Thanks Smash. Seriously though, I understand that we have an equity edge here, but is it big enough to raise in this spot. We're out of position with a hand that really isn't all THAT strong. Maybe I'm still thinking from a full-ring perspective with more than 3 players in the pot, but I'm just not sure the equity edge is big enough to overcome our bad position/somewhat marginal hand.

[akishore 0]

Thanks Smash. Seriously though, I understand that we have an equity edge here, but is it big enough to raise in this spot. We're out of position with a hand that really isn't all THAT strong. Maybe I'm still thinking from a full-ring perspective with more than 3 players in the pot, but I'm just not sure the equity edge is big enough to overcome our bad position/somewhat marginal hand.

Haha, my bad. Yeah our hand is quite strong for short-handed. Here's an alternate way to think of it (these are VERY rough estimates):1/3 of the time, we flop a pair. That pair is very often the best pair.The times we don't flop a pair, we might flop some kind of draw, or a lot of times we'll have overcards. These flops we can cbet and sometimes we pick up the pot, and even when we don't, we have something we can hit on the turn.Few times we hit nothing at all, and if anyone shows any aggression, we can easily let go, e.g. when the board is coordinated and/or monotone, etc.Just get the money in right now when you have the best of it. The rest will fall into place.AseemP.S. This ain't no marginal hand three-handed, esp when Button open-limps and SB completes. That is weak as hell on both their parts.

[TheCinciKid 0]

Haha, my bad. Yeah our hand is quite strong for short-handed. Here's an alternate way to think of it (these are VERY rough estimates):1/3 of the time, we flop a pair. That pair is very often the best pair.The times we don't flop a pair, we might flop some kind of draw, or a lot of times we'll have overcards. These flops we can cbet and sometimes we pick up the pot, and even when we don't, we have something we can hit on the turn.Few times we hit nothing at all, and if anyone shows any aggression, we can easily let go, e.g. when the board is coordinated and/or monotone, etc.Just get the money in right now when you have the best of it. The rest will fall into place.AseemP.S. This ain't no marginal hand three-handed, esp when Button open-limps and SB completes. That is weak as hell on both their parts.

Thanks for setting me straight. I guess running bad does things to your thought processes. ISAP.