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#1 BetItAll33

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:15 AM

Ultimate Bet 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP3 with Ks, Jh. 4 folds, BB checks.Flop: (2.40 SB) Js, 6s, Qd (2 players)BB bets, Hero.....???tiny pot, should I just move on to the next one?

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:18 AM

KJo is barely playable in middle position, in fact folding it preflop is probably better.Fold on the flop, BB could have you beat easily, he saw the flop for free.
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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:19 AM

Yeah, just give it up and wait for a better spot.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:29 AM

I thought that KJo should be played in middle/late posistion with noraises[ontopic] yes folding is the best option here I think [/ontopic]

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:31 AM

It's probably one of the few hands that arguments could be made either way for. Personally, I hate it unless it's suited, or there are a few limpers before me. I'd fold KJo if I'm the first to act, because I don't want to contest a small pot with it. Obviously play it on the button or the cutoff.My opinion is that a multiway limped pot is better for KJo, then a barely played pot.
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Posted 22 March 2005 - 09:08 AM

I think it depends if the player is capable of just betting out here on a bluff since he has only one opponent who showed weakness by limping in. Even though the pot is small, I might still consider holding on to the hand. But, I don't call here. If you want to keep playing, raise him on the flop. Especially if he is a bold player, there is a decent chance that he either folds right then or calls the bet and then check/folds on the flop. You could definitely make an argument for both continuing to play or folding in this situation though.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 09:20 AM

Swift_Psycho said:

I think it depends if the player is capable of just betting out here on a bluff since he has only one opponent who showed weakness by limping in. Even though the pot is small, I might still consider holding on to the hand. But, I don't call here. If you want to keep playing, raise him on the flop. Especially if he is a bold player, there is a decent chance that he either folds right then or calls the bet and then check/folds on the flop. You could definitely make an argument for both continuing to play or folding in this situation though.
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Ks, Jh. 4 folds, BB checks.Flop: (2.40 SB) Js, 6s, Qd (2 players)BB bets, BB calls.Turn: (3.20 BB) 7h (2 players)BB checks,Hero ...OK, now what?

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 09:28 AM

BetItAll33 said:

Swift_Psycho said:

I think it depends if the player is capable of just betting out here on a bluff since he has only one opponent who showed weakness by limping in. Even though the pot is small, I might still consider holding on to the hand. But, I don't call here. If you want to keep playing, raise him on the flop. Especially if he is a bold player, there is a decent chance that he either folds right then or calls the bet and then check/folds on the flop. You could definitely make an argument for both continuing to play or folding in this situation though.
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Ks, Jh. 4 folds, BB checks.Flop: (2.40 SB) Js, 6s, Qd (2 players)BB bets, BB calls.Turn: (3.20 BB) 7h (2 players)BB checks,Hero ...OK, now what?
Err...aw crap. I mis-typed in my first post. I meant to say "there is a decent chance that he either folds right then or calls the bet and then check/folds on the turn." So right now I bet.Please tell me this guy folded or he called you with a lesser hand so that I can be right for once.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 09:39 AM

Unless he's a mouse that never bets, raise the flop, bet the turn

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 09:47 AM

KramitDaToad said:

Unless he's a mouse that never bets, raise the flop, bet the turn
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Ks, Jh. 4 folds, BB checks.Flop: (2.40 SB) Js, 6s, Qd (2 players)BB bets, BB calls.Turn: (3.20 BB) 7h (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.River: (5.20 BB) 9h (2 players)BB checks, Hero...OK now what?

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 09:51 AM

Fold the flop.There are better places to worry about getting 1BB than fighting over it here with a probably calling station with Q3 who's going to call you the whole way.Is that really worth spending 3BB getting 1 to 1 on?

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 09:53 AM

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Fold the flop.There are better places to worry about getting 1BB than fighting over it here with a probably calling station with Q3 who's going to call you the whole way.Is that really worth spending 3BB getting 1 to 1 on?
that's hilarious...River (board: Js 6s Qd 7h 9h):DrawRS checks. BetItAll33 checks.Showdown:DrawRS shows Qs 3c.DrawRS has Qs Js Qd 7h 9h: a pair of queens.BetItAll33 mucks cards.(BetItAll33 has Ks Jh.)Hand #4939085-3632 Summary:$.10 is raked from a pot of $2.60.DrawRS wins $2.50 with a pair of queens.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 09:54 AM

BetItAll33 said:

KramitDaToad said:

Unless he's a mouse that never bets, raise the flop, bet the turn
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Ks, Jh. 4 folds, BB checks.Flop: (2.40 SB) Js, 6s, Qd (2 players)BB bets, BB calls.Turn: (3.20 BB) 7h (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.River: (5.20 BB) 9h (2 players)BB checks, Hero...OK now what?
Oh poop. Well, I check now cause if he was on a draw, he isn't calling and he probably isn't going to fold a Q now. Poop, poop, poop, he had a Q, didn't he?Edit: I wrote this before seeing the results.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 09:55 AM

Who's the king of cold hand reading, baby!!Anyway, still probably a good idea to let it go. The reason you do well in these games is that this guy will call you down when you have AQ with that, he's not suddenly going to change his mind and fold when you have a worse hand.




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