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[BetItAll33]

Ultimate Bet 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Ac, 5c. CO posts a blind of $0.25. UTG calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.Flop: (6.40 SB) 5h, Ah, Qs (6 players)BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls.Turn: (7.70 BB) 4c (3 players)UTG bets, Hero ..... ????

[woutoR]

reraise?

[Vade]

Cap the flop. You have two pair in a game where TPTK is overly loved by many players. Then raise the turn.I'm putting UTG on a big flush draw or AJ

[holman3rd]

[quote name='BetItAll33]Ultimate Bet 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) [url="http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi"]converter[/url]Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Ac' date=' 5c. CO posts a blind of $0.25. UTG calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.Flop: (6.40 SB) 5h, Ah, Qs (6 players)BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls.Turn: (7.70 BB) 4c (3 players)UTG betsHmm..this one seems a little tougher than I thought. Is 3-bets the cap? I'll assume it is for my response. (Reason I ask is that if 4-bets is the cap, the fact that you didn't cap it on the flop might have shown weakness to UTG...I don't play Ultimate, so that's why i'm asking).I say call due to the size of the pot and your two outs (5's) to fill up. I think UTG has AQ or possibly 55 here, with AQ being most likely. He led into you on the flop and continued to lead on the turn after having been raised on the flop. Smells like strength to me.Of course, this response is absent any read on this player. BTW...thanks for not posting the results in your original post.

[holman3rd]

Vade said:

Cap the flop. You have two pair in a game where TPTK is overly loved by many players. Then raise the turn.I'm putting UTG on a big flush draw or AJ

My thoughts initially, but the fact that UTG led the turn makes me think he's not on a flush draw, nor does he have AJ (given that he was raised on the flop).A read on this player would really help.I still think AQ is his most likely holding. Let's see...

[BetItAll33]

thanks for the comments... results to followBTW, I could've put in one more bet on the flop.

[BetItAll33]

Ultimate Bet 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Ac, 5c. CO posts a blind of $0.25. UTG calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.Flop: (6.40 SB) 5h, Ah, Qs (6 players)BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls.Turn: (7.70 BB) 4c (3 players)UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls.River: (10.70 BB) 2d (3 players)UTG bets, Hero calls, CO folds.Final Pot: 12.70 BBShowdown:mB23 shows Ad Jd.mB23 has Ad Jd 5h Ah Qs: a pair of aces.BetItAll33 shows Ac 5c.BetItAll33 has Ac 5c 5h Ah Qs: two pair, aces and fives.Hand #4939085-3558 Summary:$.30 is raked from a pot of $6.35.BetItAll33 wins $6.05 with two pair, aces and fives.----------------------------------------------------------------nice call Vade, you would've made more money than me.

[Vade]

holman3rd said:

Vade said:

Cap the flop. You have two pair in a game where TPTK is overly loved by many players. Then raise the turn.I'm putting UTG on a big flush draw or AJ

My thoughts initially, but the fact that UTG led the turn makes me think he's not on a flush draw, nor does he have AJ (given that he was raised on the flop).A read on this player would really help.I still think AQ is his most likely holding. Let's see...

Well if it's AQ, that's worth a note that he will only raise UTG preflop with AA KK or AK.It is a poorly played AQ if that's it, but it is internet players we're talking about

[holman3rd]

Vade said:

holman3rd said:

Vade said:

Cap the flop. You have two pair in a game where TPTK is overly loved by many players. Then raise the turn.I'm putting UTG on a big flush draw or AJ

My thoughts initially, but the fact that UTG led the turn makes me think he's not on a flush draw, nor does he have AJ (given that he was raised on the flop).A read on this player would really help.I still think AQ is his most likely holding. Let's see...

Well if it's AQ, that's worth a note that he will only raise UTG preflop with AA KK or AK.It is a poorly played AQ if that's it, but it is internet players we're talking about

This is .25/.50, so a limp UTG with AQ is not at all unusual. And I wouldn't limit this player to raising with those 3 hands...you can probably add QQ and JJ. Again, I already stated that a read on this player would help.

[BetItAll33]

you saw the results, right?

[holman3rd]

BetItAll33 said:

Ultimate Bet 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Ac, 5c. CO posts a blind of $0.25. UTG calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.Flop: (6.40 SB) 5h, Ah, Qs (6 players)BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls.Turn: (7.70 BB) 4c (3 players)UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls.River: (10.70 BB) 2d (3 players)UTG bets, Hero calls, CO folds.Final Pot: 12.70 BBShowdown:mB23 shows Ad Jd.mB23 has Ad Jd 5h Ah Qs: a pair of aces.BetItAll33 shows Ac 5c.BetItAll33 has Ac 5c 5h Ah Qs: two pair, aces and fives.Hand #4939085-3558 Summary:$.30 is raked from a pot of $6.35.BetItAll33 wins $6.05 with two pair, aces and fives.----------------------------------------------------------------nice call Vade, you would've made more money than me.

Yes, nice call. I really didn't think AJ because he led the turn after being re-raised on the flop. AJ shrinks up after that happens, imo.Then again, this is .25/.50, so the guy was probably oblivious to the action around him. I would have missed some bets there, unfortunately, but would have improved my read on this player going forward.Nice post BIA33.

[holman3rd]

BetItAll33 said:

you saw the results, right?

are you asking me? no, i didn't see them when i was responding to Vade.

[holman3rd]

holman3rd said:

BetItAll33 said:

you saw the results, right?

are you asking me? no, i didn't see them when i was responding to Vade.

With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, I went back and reviewed the betting action. Kudos to Vade for calling AJ. In hindsight it does make more sense than my AQ call. Here's why. I thought AJ was unlikely because UTG led the turn after being raised on the flop.He got raised but not capped, which may have indicated to him that our hero was on a flush draw.When the 3rd flush card didn't fall on the turn, he felt his aces were good, so he led. When our hero just called his turn bet, it probably solidified his read of a flush draw, so he led the river.Thanks again for not posting the results initially. It really helps to make a guess at a read when you don't know the results, and then be able to find your mistakes when you do know the results. Does that make sense?I learned something from this.

[BetItAll33]

I understand what you're saying Holman. I think I turtled up a little. I might've gotten 1 more bet out of him. Here's another thing though:If I cap the flop, 2 things probably happen.1. the CO doesn't call costing me 1.5 BB2. UTG calls, then check calls down, net + .5 BBIt seems like capping the flop nets less overall, though it may improve my chance of winning. Vade, what do you think of that?

[holman3rd]

BetItAll33 said:

I understand what you're saying Holman. I think I turtled up a little. I might've gotten 1 more bet out of him. Here's another thing though:If I cap the flop, 2 things probably happen.1. the CO doesn't call costing me 1.5 BB2. UTG calls, then check calls down, net + .5 BBIt seems like capping the flop nets less overall, though it may improve my chance of winning. Vade, what do you think of that?

For this response I have to ignore the fact that I know the results...stand by....OK, I say cap it to protect your hand and make any draws pay to see the turn. With two hearts on the board, I'd be concerned about possible flush draws out there. Now, knowing the results...stand by...OK, given that UTG had AJ, he probably check calls the rest of the way, as you said, but you'd be the one leading the betting, so the $$ outcome is the same as what happened. Not sure if you'd lose the CO, though.

[BetItAll33]

I suppose the CO could've been on a heart draw, in which case he sticks around.