weak leads and ragged flops

[Scott31 0]

OK, I'm at a table now that is driving me bonkers. Let me run through one hand as an example real quick.I have AA in the CO and there's 3 limpers in and I raise to 4...button reraises to 6 and the SB and BB call! Then, the UTG limper caps it at 8 or 4 total bets.MP2 calls 3 cold and so does MP3. I'm not happy already as this is shaping up to be 7 way action. Anyway, the SB took down the huge pot with 38s when he hit is one card gutshot straight on the turn. I folded my aces, but was not happy about it. Well, the point of this is to show the type of table I'm at. Not great players here, obviously. One thing that they almost all do is take down my raises with any 2 cards in the blinds and bet out on a ragged flop no matter what they have. For example, I have :spadesa: :heartsk: and raise it up, with 1 caller and the blinds both call. The flop comes 10 8 3 and the SB bets out just about every time. I usually raise, and a few people fold and the SB takes down the raise and....what's this? A blank on the turn and he bets out again. It's pretty automatic at this table. BTW, for those who don't know, taking down a raise and betting out on the flop is known as a weak lead, hence the title here. I don't know, should I be doing this? I don't, but is this an ok play when you hit bottom pair on a ragged board? Most of the time, these guys are doing it with nothing...no pair, no draw and it's just showdown poker. I'm usually pretty sure about my game, but these guys seem to be playing something different than what I'm used to. They Bluff every time they're in late position and I use a c/r on them, but it's still a showdown no matter what. I imagine this is a great table, but it's not one I run across very often. And it doesn' tfeel great, because I'm getting sucked out on by several different guys. Any thoughts?

[Vade 0]

Raising with AK to a bet on the flop with 3 low cards is not a good play.

[Scott31 0]

Raising with AK to a bet on the flop with 3 low cards is not a good play.

And folding is? Did you read the whole post, or just that part? Like I said, these guys were weak leading with anything on the flop. Ideally, with the raise, I could buy a free card and see the river and try to improve, but often times at this table, Ace high takes down the pot more often than it should.

[RISEorFall 0]

I'd get away from this table as fast as you can. It's a good table when you ahve one or two or maybe even three suckers who get lucky every once in a while. All the pots you take down in between their lucky cards will make up for the few times they suckout on you. However, with a table full of players like this...well when everybody is playing everything, someone is going to hit something. One or two fish at a table is great. 6 or 7 fish at a table is a nightmare...in my opinion anyway.

[wrto4556 0]

I'd get away from this table as fast as you can. It's a good table when you ahve one or two or maybe even three suckers who get lucky every once in a while. All the pots you take down in between their lucky cards will make up for the few times they suckout on you. However, with a table full of players like this...well when everybody is playing everything, someone is going to hit something. One or two fish at a table is great. 6 or 7 fish at a table is a nightmare...in my opinion anyway.

That's not true at all. Let me run a simulation for you, just so you can see the math. :wink:

[Absolute 0]

hey wrto wanna sit and play some hands with jayson and i

[wrto4556 0]

hey wrto wanna sit and play some hands with jayson and i

Where are y'all at?btw, Rise, AQs wins 25% of the time against 7 random hands. Pretty good size equity edge. The pots you do win are huge agaisnt fish.

[RISEorFall 0]

btw, Rise, AQs wins 25% of the time against 7 random hands. Pretty good size equity edge. The pots you do win are huge agaisnt fish.

Yeah, I know the numbers. It's just hard to keep believing them when you sit at a table with 5 or 6 fish and not get anything, even when playing tight. You get blinded down and out and after a few rebuys it's just disheartening...the pots can be huge if you hit, but when you can't hit anything at all, it's hard to believe stats sometimes. Then again i made 250 bucks the other night at the same table with all the fishies, and we only play 10$ buy ins, so i guess I really shouldn't be complaining too much.