How Do I Proceed?

[pokerkid 0]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , T . Hero raises, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.Flop: (7 SB) 4 , T , 7 (2 players)SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.Turn: (6.50 BB) Q (2 players)SB bets, Hero...Calls down?

[Zach6668 513]

Easy fold, IMO.

[dimseven 0]

Need a read

[Actuary 3]

I'd think with 5 outs you can see the riverSometimes you don't have 5 outs; but you have some implied odds if a T hits. Unless he has QQ.so then you get to river and are getting 9.5 : 1 with TPTK on the flopi'm with Dim, need a read.lean towards call down.

[Zach6668 513]

I'd think with 5 outs you can see the riverSometimes you don't have 5 outs; but you have some implied odds if a T hits. Unless he has QQ.so then you get to river and are getting 9.5 : 1 with TPTK on the flopi'm with Dim, need a read.lean towards call down.

Are you losing your mind?Who 3-bets an UTG raise from the SB preflop, lead/3-bets the flop, with something WORSE than a pair of tens? (Unless he's a maniac retard)We are WAAAAAAAY behind here, and even if we have 5 outs, we are not getting odds to call, and there's no way we make up enough to factor in implied odds.If you really want to call down, call down. Don't raise the flop.We raised, we were told we were beat, get out. This is the micros, he's not making a "10/20 play on us".- Zach

[CoranMoran 0]

We raised, we were told we were beat, get out.

Yes, his flop 3bet says he can beat Top Pair.

Need a read

But with no read, I very rarely believe villains 100%.

This is the micros, he's not making a "10/20 play on us".

And I especially don't fully believe villains at the micro levels!When in position like this, I make a play that most may frown on.I actually raise AND CAP the flop.After doing this, I will view any turn aggression from villain as genuine.And I can confidently fold then, rather than calling down.This is cheaper than OP's flop-raise-and-call-down line.Even if we are behind, villain will often check the turn (possibly for a check raise) and I can simply check behind.And in this variation, I can see downdown cheaper than OP's flop-raise-and-call-down line.My style is to try to get as much info as possible on the cheaper streets.Just my thoughts.--CM

[Actuary 3]

Are you losing your mind?Who 3-bets an UTG raise from the SB preflop, lead/3-bets the flop, with something WORSE than a pair of tens? (Unless he's a maniac retard)We are WAAAAAAAY behind here, and even if we have 5 outs, we are not getting odds to call, and there's no way we make up enough to factor in implied odds.If you really want to call down, call down. Don't raise the flop.We raised, we were told we were beat, get out. This is the micros, he's not making a "10/20 play on us".- Zach

We don't have odds to draw to 5 outs getting ~ 8.5 : 1 ? We're folding if we don't improve, calling if an Ace hits, and raising if a T comes. So then we get to the river and I see 9.5 : 1. If I knw nothing about this guy, I'll let him 3 bet the flop in a SH game with AK or 99 or AhJh etc enough to see the showdown. I think it's a marginal turn call and river call. But not crazy. Again, reads would help.I think in general some of the toughest decisions are when you have just enough odds to chase but also have some showdown value... you can't really call the turn and fol. the river. With A7, maybe we can fold the river.You play much Micro SH.... they do crazy stuff

[Zach6668 513]

We don't have odds to draw to 5 outs getting ~ 8.5 : 1 ? We're folding if we don't improve, calling if an Ace hits, and raising if a T comes. So then we get to the river and I see 9.5 : 1. If I knw nothing about this guy, I'll let him 3 bet the flop in a SH game with AK or 99 or AhJh etc enough to see the showdown. I think it's a marginal turn call and river call. But not crazy. Again, reads would help.I think in general some of the toughest decisions are when you have just enough odds to chase but also have some showdown value... you can't really call the turn and fol. the river. With A7, maybe we can fold the river.You play much Micro SH.... they do crazy stuff

7.5 to 1 on the turn...I'll concede that its closer than I made it out to be though.

[Actuary 3]

7.5 to 1 on the turn...I'll concede that its closer than I made it out to be though.

why you say 7.5 ?Are we not calling the river if we improve ?So I guess it's 8.5 : 2With implied odds for more, if we are seeing the showdown.We need to deduct for the times he has AA or QQ, but w also get more when a T comes. OThe more I look the more I don't think it's not too close in SH Micro with no reads

[Zach6668 513]

why you say 7.5 ?Are we not calling the river if we improve ?So I guess it's 8.5 : 2With implied odds for more, if we are seeing the showdown.We need to deduct for the times he has AA or QQ, but w also get more when a T comes. OThe more I look the more I don't think it's not too close in SH Micro with no reads

Turn: (6.50 BB) Q (2 players)SB bets, Hero...

Is that not 7.5-1 to call the turn? 8.5-2 to call down.You think it gets closer to a call the more you look?

[Actuary 3]

Is that not 7.5-1 to call the turn? 8.5-2 to call down.You think it gets closer to a call the more you look?

yeah ignoring IO, R or otherwise you have the right numbers.You know, super passive Actuary, often calls down from the flop in pos and sees SD for 2.5 BB's, or 1.5 when SB checks his AK. Now we have more info after we raise the flop. But we also have 2 more BBs in the potGiven we have the Ace to couter AQ/AK/AJ ( wel until the Q comes), I'd be content to let him do the betting. unfortuately the hand was played a different way than I usually would. I certainly don't cap this flop and then fold.see showdowns with TPTK on the flop HU is not a bad mantra.

[Zach6668 513]

If you really want to call down, call down. Don't raise the flop.- Zach

You know, super passive Actuary, often calls down from the flop in pos and sees SD for 2.5 BB's, or 1.5 when SB checks his AK.

[Actuary 3]

Actuary Zachary