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[wrto4556]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP2 with 8:club:, 8:diamond:. UTG calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP3 folds, SB calls.Flop: (13 SB) T:spade:, 4:diamond:, T:diamond: (4 players)SB checks, BB bets, SB calls, BB calls.Turn: (9.50 BB) Q:heart: (3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.I think I should bet and fold to a raise. But the pot is more than 6bb and anyone C/r bluffing only has to get me to fold 10% of the time to show a profit. I was raising for a free card on the flop, but since i'm calling a bet on the river I might as well bet the turn. Then again, I don't give AK a chance to bluff.River: (9.50 BB) 8:spade: (3 players)SB bets, SB folds, BB calls.Final Pot: 14.50 BB

[KDawgCometh]

I think a followup bet on the turn is in order. It'd be nice to have some reads as t determine what the proper course of action would be. What is the likelyhood of one of your opponents to CRbluff you there. I wouldn't be surprised if the BB was betting a flush draw there as you probably have been threebet back if they had the ten. I think your read of AK there is correct. Are nines a possibilty there too from the BB

[wrto4556]

I don't think so. The BB was super tight. 10/4/1--has been losing lots of money lately, too. The other guy was pretty tight, too. UTG+1 (or whatever) was the only loose goose in there.

[KDawgCometh]

If the BB is that tight then are they the type to pull of a CR bluff. The stats don't seem to say so, which really defines them on AK here or maybe even JJ. I like betting here if that's the case as I don't think they are gonna call a bet with two tens and a Queen out there after missing all the way. Their fold to the river raise tells me that they are weak there. Yeah, a turn bet probably takes down the pot

[Smasharoo]

I was raising for a free card on the flopTo have a better chance to draw at your 22 to 1 shot on the river for free?

[wrto4556]

Smasharoo said:

I was raising for a free card on the flopTo have a better chance to draw at your 22 to 1 shot on the river for free?

Yes, and the off chance that my 88 is good.

[Emptyeye]

If you raised on the flop, then yeah, I'd say you have to bet the turn. You're (Probably) not going to get anyone already involved in the pot to fold to your raise, so you're either doing to to try and see a free river card (In which case, mission accomplished), or because you think yours 8s are actually good. If it's the latter, I see no reason not to bet the turn (As your flop raise combined with this bet MAY allow you to take it down right there).

[wrto4556]

Emptyeye said:

If you raised on the flop, then yeah, I'd say you have to bet the turn. You're (Probably) not going to get anyone already involved in the pot to fold to your raise, so you're either doing to to try and see a free river card (In which case, mission accomplished), or because you think yours 8s are actually good. If it's the latter, I see no reason not to bet the turn (As your flop raise combined with this bet MAY allow you to take it down right there).

plus, I plan on calling a bet on the river, so I might as well bet the turn and fold to a raise, and check behind on the river UI.

[akishore]

i don't think you meant to say you were raising for a free card. i think you were raising for a cheap showdown. you don't really have a draw (besides your two-outter) worth seeing a free card over, but i know what you meant.i like the flop raise, but i'm wondering what you would do if you got three-bet. would you call and check-fold the turn? i'm asking because i think one leak i have in my game is that i would check-call the turn and river after i got three-bet on this board (assuming no overcards or scare cards landed) because the pot is so big, but i'm wondering if that's a leak.anyway, i would bet the turn also. you're representing the T, and it's evident that someone has a flush draw in there too. you likely have the best hand right now (JJ/QQ/KK/AA would have three-bet on the flop probably), and you have some good fold equity against AK/AJ/etc (though there's a gutshot draw for that now).however, a check may be in order since an overcard landed and someone could be planning a check-raise with AQ or so. though i guess this varies by player.i would probably bet the turn if i raised and only got calls.aseem

[wrto4556]

AQ might have raised and go for a C/r, QQ, too. But if i'm 3-bet on this flop and bet into on the turn i'm dropping without a second thought. If i'm C/r'ed on the turn, i'm dropping without a second thought. I'm treading on thick water.