Do You Really Have J9?

[DonkSlayer 1]

Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t150/t3004 playersStack sizes:UTG: t2390Hero: t3855SB: t5392BB: t1863Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with qd td UTG calls t300 (pot was t450), Hero calls t300 (pot was t750), SB calls t150 (pot was t1050), BB checks.Flop: 2d 8c qh (t1200, 4 players)SB bets t300, 2 folds, Hero calls t300 (pot was t1500).Turn: th (t1800, 2 players)SB bets t300, Hero raises to t700, SB raises to t1400, Hero calls t400 (pot was t3600).River: 7d (t4600, 2 players)SB is all-in t3692, Hero calls all-in t2155.Uncalled bets: t1537 returned to SB.Results:Final pot: t8910

[reverbse 0]

why not raise the flop? his bet is really weak, if he calls you´re probably in trouble. if he raises anyway.the way it played out i would worry about a set much more than about j9.

[copernicus 0]

prob not j9, but a set or an overplayed AQ are possible. 3 22s1 TTs1 QQs8 AQs16 J9s, but discount them to 2 for the bizarre play7 you lose to 8 you beat tough choice as you said!His betting is so persistent, no huge moves until the river when all draws miss except the bizarro, I lean toward being behind on this one.

[XXEddie 0]

I think you need to push/fold when he makes it 1400 on the turn. And if you do call, fold the river if you dont fill up

[simo_8ball 1]

Turn: th (t1800, 2 players)SB bets t300, Hero raises to t700, SB raises...

This is what I don't like. Raise more. You are giving him 7/1 odds.I think people aren't taking into account that this guy was the SB in an unraised pot. He has a much wider range than people think. If you think he is a player that would min bet J9 on the flop, he could easily have Q8, Q2, 82 or T8, as well as hands like KQ or QJ.

[DonkSlayer 1]

I forgot to include my read on the villain..."she" was LAG preflop and postflop until you showed any strength (meaning you raised or led out) and then she became passive, although still loose. I thought I had flopped the best hand but my fold equity didn't appear to be great, so I went with milking her instead. She could've had air as easily as a set by the turn. My raise was for value; she's either folding air or calling twice that size of a bet with any draw, so that's why I did it.The push on the river definitely means it's not a set. Could've been a straight but I just wasn't convinced.Villain showed Qs2s.

[simo_8ball 1]

he could easily have Q8, Q2, 82 or T8

Villain showed Qs2s.

Yay. One of my possibilities was right.

[copernicus 0]

"I think people aren't taking into account that this guy was the SB in an unraised pot. He has a much wider range than people think. If you think he is a player that would min bet J9 on the flop, he could easily have Q8, Q2, 82 or T8, as well as hands like KQ or QJ."Yup, missed a big clue.