Kk Dangerous Board

[rogerwilco 0]

I'm new at the table, second hand. I edited the HH to make it easier to read, i haven't found a hand converter for Full Tilt hands yet.Obviously I didn't like that flop, since it could easily have hit villain hard, and I liked the turn even less, but i thought there were a couple hands he was likely to have that I could still beat (at that level, many players have a hard time folding a A with a decent kicker).Should I have played that hand more passively? I think if I bet any halfway decent amount on the turn I have to call an all-in, but do you maybe check-fold here?Full Tilt Poker Game #953301569: Table Williamsport - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:35:09 ET - 2006/08/31Seat 5: Hero ($9.90)Seat 8: Villain ($9.90)Hero posts the small blind of $0.05BB posts the big blind of $0.10The button is in seat #4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Hero [K K ]Villain raises to $0.355foldsHero raises to $1.201foldVillain calls $0.85*** FLOP *** [9 J 8 ]Hero bets $2.50Villain calls $2.50*** TURN *** [9 J 8 ] [7 ]Hero bets $6.20, and is all in[comment, I like that, good guess ] Villain: "kk??"[snip]

[Royal_Tour 0]

did you push all in on the turn because of the stakes??what if it was 10/20 NL, would u make the same play?

[Scott3705 0]

He shouldn't have a ten here often. I like the hand.

[crankin 0]

He shouldn't have a ten here often. I like the hand.

What do you put villain on there though? He raised/called pre-flop. This appears to be full ring, so his range (pre-flop) could be anything around 77+ AQo+ AKo+. Of all the possible pair hands, we now beat QQ, and that's it. I can't imagine the offsuit ace hands staying in on the flop. I could definitely see AQ or AK of diamonds staying till the turn. But, how often do they have a flush draw versus a made hand here? I don't have PokerStove here (and can't seem to get it to download at the moment) or I'd run the numbers.

[Scott3705 0]

What do you put villain on there though? He raised/called pre-flop. This appears to be full ring, so his range (pre-flop) could be anything around 77+ AQo+ AKo+. Of all the possible pair hands, we now beat QQ, and that's it. I can't imagine the offsuit ace hands staying in on the flop. I could definitely see AQ or AK of diamonds staying till the turn. But, how often do they have a flush draw versus a made hand here? I don't have PokerStove here (and can't seem to get it to download at the moment) or I'd run the numbers.

so you're c/fing I guess? You can take the AKdiamonds out of your range since we have kd. My feeling on this hand is more the limit than anything else. under pairs are still around at this point some times.

[rogerwilco 0]

did you push all in on the turn because of the stakes??what if it was 10/20 NL, would u make the same play?

Well, the point is, that I have no idea if it was a stupid play, that's why I'm asking. But I guess in 10/20 NL, I could narrow his range much more. I haven't played that many hands yet, but from what I have seen so far, he could be playing much more hands than those crankin puts him on. He would likely call my bet on the flop with A8+ for example, a set was very possible too though.What would you do with this hand in 10/20?

[Royal_Tour 0]

I think with that board and the fact that villain called our bet, we could actually gain info by checking the turn.if he all sudden shows strength when we show weakness, its a sign he's not that strong himself.If he has a 10, he is liable to check behind hoping we'll fire out the river.We arent going to get paid off if we push the turn, we're only stealing the pot from players without a 10.But at these limits, i'm sure he'll call you with everything and anything

What do you put villain on there though? He raised/called pre-flop. This appears to be full ring, so his range (pre-flop) could be anything around 77+ AQo+ AKo+. Of all the possible pair hands, we now beat QQ, and that's it. I can't imagine the offsuit ace hands staying in on the flop. I could definitely see AQ or AK of diamonds staying till the turn. But, how often do they have a flush draw versus a made hand here? I don't have PokerStove here (and can't seem to get it to download at the moment) or I'd run the numbers.

I think any AQd raises that flop here, I know i would with a nut flush draw and 2 overs.

[crankin 0]

so you're c/fing I guess?

Given that we are out of position, I guess so. This is not the type of flop/turn I really want to see with KK, particularly when villain was the initial raiser and smooth called my re-raise.

You can take the AKdiamonds out of your range since we have kd.

Oops. Thanks for catching that.

My feeling on this hand is more the limit than anything else. under pairs are still around at this point some times.

I don't see that as often. If villain was particularly bad, I could see him in here with top pair. I just hate putting my whole stack on the line hoping that villain is stupid (given that there was no read).