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[DwayneWayne]

How many ways to play this?I played it one way, and wish I played it another....any help or thoughts on this hand would be appreciated.Live Tourney.$100 buy in. Re-Entry for first 20mins. You must be on the felt to re-buy. There were 3 re-entries at my table.18 players total.1st place $12002nd $7003rd $5004th $200We each start with 1500 in chips, I am the chip leader with T5000 during the second level (no more re-entry). 13 players left.MP limps, LP limps, Button Limps, SB folds, I am in BB with 7d9d. I check. Blinds 25-50Flop is Ad-2d-4dI bet out 100, folds to button who makes it 300 to go. He has 3000 in chips. I push.How is that? How would you play it from the flop?

[Wilderness]

Do you have any kind of read on him? What is it that you are trying to do, extract the most chips from him or just pick up the pot?I'd think that pushing is too overboard at this point unless you just want to pick up the pot. If you're the chip leader at T5000, then him having T3000 sounds like its a fairly healthy stack relative to the field (correct me if I'm wrong). If that's the case, then he's probably only calling your all-in with a flush of his own (higher than yours). I'd suggest calling his re-raise and seeing what the turn brings. The only thing that you really fear is another diamond falling and giving somebody a higher flush. When a blank falls, as it usually will, then you can either bet out or go for the C/r if you think he will bet (I think betting out is better personally).

[DwayneWayne]

No, I agree with everything you said, I was basically trying to take the pot right there, I didn’t have a read on him other then he had busted and re-bought once. Looking back pushing was the worst thing I could do, I’m just conditioned to play a faster online style/shallow stack style.What about when a Diamond hits the turn? Bet out half the pot then fold to a re-raise? What if he calls the turn bet and a blank hits the river? Bet out again? Check call? Check fold to a pot sized bet?

[Wilderness]

DwayneWayne said:

What about when a Diamond hits the turn? Bet out half the pot then fold to a re-raise? What if he calls the turn bet and a blank hits the river? Bet out again? Check call? Check fold to a pot sized bet?

Then it gets tricky. If a diamond hits on the turn, I think a 1/2 or 2/3 pot sized bet should give you some decent information, and then its easy enouth to fold to a re-raise. If he just calls that bet though, its really a tough call. By checking on the river, it makes it really hard to know what to do if he bets out with a good pot-sized or bigger bet because he could have just sensed weakness. Maybe at that point, instead of checking, you should bet out the same amount you bet on the turn (which would be more of a weak lead now since the pots bigger) and see what he does. Probably have to fold to a re-raise, even if he could be doing it just because he thinks your weak. Pretty much it will be hard to play when that diamond hits and he just calls your bet, maybe someone else on here will have a better idea than what I've said.

[holman3rd]

DwayneWayne said:

How many ways to play this?I played it one way, and wish I played it another....any help or thoughts on this hand would be appreciated.Live Tourney.$100 buy in. Re-Entry for first 20mins. You must be on the felt to re-buy. There were 3 re-entries at my table.18 players total.1st place $12002nd $7003rd $5004th $200We each start with 1500 in chips, I am the chip leader with T5000 during the second level (no more re-entry). 13 players left.MP limps, LP limps, Button Limps, SB folds, I am in BB with 7d9d. I check. Blinds 25-50Flop is Ad-2d-4dI bet out 100, folds to button who makes it 300 to go. He has 3000 in chips. I push.How is that? How would you play it from the flop?

Notwithstanding Wilderness' comments, which are quite helpful, i might add...I would have pushed as well. I doubt he's got a made flush, and is probably on a flush draw, at best. He could just have a pair of aces and wants to see where he's at.If he's on a draw, I prefer to take the pot down right there rather than give him a chance to outdraw me to a higher flush. Then again, if he is on a flush draw, my all-in might signal to him that so am I, so he may call anyway.

[DwayneWayne]

Well when I pushed, he thought for a good minute before calling with Kd3s.Td hits the turn and I lose the hand. When we broke for the final table this hand was killing me.I guess its never wrong getting your money in as a 2-1 favorite but I think getting to the turn would have been a more prudent play.....What can you do?

[holman3rd]

DwayneWayne said:

Well when I pushed, he thought for a good minute before calling with Kd3s.Td hits the turn and I lose the hand. When we broke for the final table this hand was killing me.I guess its never wrong getting your money in as a 2-1 favorite but I think getting to the turn would have been a more prudent play.....What can you do?

Well, at least my read was right. For what it's worth, I still say push was the best route b/c it put him on the decision for all his chips. If my math is correct, pot odds for him were about 1.2 to 1 and the odds of him hitting his flush by the river were a little over 2 to 1. Therefore, he a) wasn't getting the right pot odds to call, and B) was putting his tournament life at stake. I would have expected him to fold, especially since he hadn't committed a meaningful part of his stack to the pot. FWIW, I would have been glad to have him call, since it was incorrect for him to do so. Perhaps my approach is too aggressive, but I read him for either a pair of aces or a flush draw, so my push was based on that. Obviously, if I were in this game, I might have an even better read on him.

[ddudley]

DwayneWayne said:

Well when I pushed, he thought for a good minute before calling with Kd3s.Td hits the turn and I lose the hand. When we broke for the final table this hand was killing me.I guess its never wrong getting your money in as a 2-1 favorite but I think getting to the turn would have been a more prudent play.....What can you do?

I think you'd played it exactly right. You've got to keep a guy with one higher diamond from drawing out on you. You got your money in as a huge favorite. The other guy made a terrible call. What happens after that is out of your control.

[nertz]

This is an easy call to see what the turn brings. If it's a diamond check-fold if you sense strength, if its a blank fire out a pot sized bet and see what happens. There's no sense in risking 3000T for a 625T pot unless you absolutely know he's folding. You don't have the nuts and could be drawing dead already.

ddudley said:

I think you'd played it exactly right. You've got to keep a guy with one higher diamond from drawing out on you. You got your money in as a huge favorite. The other guy made a terrible call. What happens after that is out of your control.

I disagree. I don't know about you but I really don't like leaving 3/5ths of my stack up to fate. Especially in this stage of the tournament when I don't have to yet. A fairly strong bet on the turn if a brick hits will accomplish the same goal if he's drawing (assuming hes not a total moron). If the board 4 flushes, it's an easy lay down. It may seem weak-tight, but I'd rather keep my nice lead and only lose 350T then have to start from scratch 1 in 3 times.

[ddudley]

nertz said:

It may seem weak-tight, but I'd rather keep my nice lead and only lose 350T then have to start from scratch 1 in 3 times.

So, you don't like to get your money in the middle when you are a 2 to 1 favorite? Yes, that does seem weak tight.Just because the other guy is an idiot and called then drew out doesn't mean he made a correct play. Your just gonna let him have a free card to draw out on you? Yes, that's smart!!

[holman3rd]

Stack size is very important. If the opponent has me covered, I call here and see what the turn brings. It would be easier to push him off a flush draw that misses on the turn.This is just in case he already has a higher made flush. Obviously, I already said I think he's on a draw, and therefore I advocated pushing. This was also do to the fact that I would have the guy covered and would be putting HIS tournament life at stake. I guess I'm more willing to trust my read and push when I know the move can't bust me out.Still say push in this spot, for those that I may have just confused.