Ladies - Tough Spot, Or Easy Muck?

[Zach6668 513]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)UTG ($99)UTG+1 ($46.70)MP1 ($72.35)Hero ($121)MP3 ($40)CO ($242.50)Button ($17.20)SB ($65.20)BB ($99)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q , Q . MP3 posts a blind of $1. 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.Flop: ($25.50) 3 , 5 , J (2 players)BB bets $18, Hero calls $18.Turn: ($61.50) 9 (2 players)BB bets $69 (All-In)...This is literally the villains first hand at the table.I question how I played this whole hand with the exception of my first raise PF.- Zach

[CrazyJoe 0]

first hand?!?! damn, that's tough man, thing is, there's no real draws out there that he could have, maybe AK clubs, he could have AJ, but that's slim with him reraising preflop, JJ, KK, AA are all possiblities. I think with NO read at all I would lay it down, I wanna say raise the flop, but there's no reasonable amount to bet without putting almost half your stack in, and then what do you do? This is a tough hand since he is playing his first hand soooo fast, but I think he's taking advantage of that and that he has a hand. I say it's a fold.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Zach,If you're going to call this bet and intend to stick around in any scenario not involving flopping a set of Q's, you have to raise this flop. Don't let a J talk you into just calling here...that flop is really no different than 3-5-9. You still have an overpair to the board, and you still have to decide where you are against a villain who re-raised preflop. You have no idea where you are, no read on the villain, and should definitely pick a better spot. Give yourself a chance to win or at least learn something from each hand you choose to get involved in.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Don't let a J talk you into just calling here...

Agreeeeeed. Raise the flop and the turn play's easier. As a matter of reference, I don't mind making calls like this *from time to time* to show the table that A) I'm either willing to make a good call with a marginal hand in the face of aggression..in the scenario that I win. or ii) That I'm willing to overplay an overpair and kinda donkish..in the event that I lose.If I plan on being at this table for awhile, I call. If I don't, I fold.

[CrazyJoe 0]

what do you raise to on the flop?

[BearCanada 0]

I'm thinking that if you re-raise again preflop to $20 you have a much better sense of where you stand. I get that's a lot of money to have in preflop with a new player but it's a way to gauge that sort of aggression early. My gut says the villain has AA or AK. As you played it I agree that you have to raise (i'd say double it to $36) on the flop or lay it down there. I don't think the Villian has JJ, given that you called the re-raise preflop he's going to try to extort more money. The $18 feels like he is trying to push you off the hand. When you just call that bet it shows weakness and he puts you in the place of having to make a very difficult decision. Well played on the villain's part really. -Bear

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

what do you raise to on the flop?

40-45

[Scott3705 0]

40-45

and fold when it gets back at $42 (back at 3.5-4/1) That's really tough against an uknown.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

and fold when it gets back at $42 (back at 3.5-4/1) That's really tough against an uknown.

Meh..I thought the BB had the 242 stack, apparently. I can still probably fold that. Pot odds don't mean much when you're drawing to two outs, conceiveably.Honestly though? I'm not opposed to folding QQ preflop here.

[Scott3705 0]

Meh..I thought the BB had the 242 stack, apparently. I can still probably fold that. Pot odds don't mean much when you're drawing to two outs, conceiveably.Honestly though? I'm not opposed to folding QQ preflop here.

Sorta when you'd conceivably only have to be ahead about 15% of the time at that point. Against and unknown, I'd sorta be inclined to see if he wants to define his hand preflop and possibly reraise preflop w/ intentions to fold if he repops.

[Zach6668 513]

Against and unknown, I'd sorta be inclined to see if he wants to define his hand preflop and possibly reraise preflop w/ intentions to fold if he repops.

That was my thinking on this hand.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Sorta when you'd conceivably only have to be ahead about 15% of the time at that point. Against and unknown, I'd sorta be inclined to see if he wants to define his hand preflop and possibly reraise preflop w/ intentions to fold if he repops.

Yah, my evaluation of the hand kinda got dicked when I read the stack sizes wrong.I'll stop typing now.

[The Nuts 0]

re-pop the flop. Fold to further resistance.

[crankin 0]

Ok. To those advocating re-popping pre-flop. What do you do when BB smooth calls and checks it to you? What if he leads?

[Scott3705 0]

Ok. To those advocating re-popping pre-flop. What do you do when BB smooth calls and checks it to you? What if he leads?

I'd probably let him slowplay me into oblivion.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Ok. To those advocating re-popping pre-flop. What do you do when BB smooth calls and checks it to you? What if he leads?

I dunno. I think a flopped set of Jacks is the only thing that flat-calls our flop re-pop. AK folds and everything else that beats us goes ahead and pushes.

[CrazyJoe 0]

re-pop the flop. Fold to further resistance.

this was discussed directly above your post, any raise on the flop commits you to the hand, stacks aren't deep enough to do this with the size of the pot where it is.Reraising preflop is probably the best spot to get the information on this hand, but against a complete unknown it's hard to offer any solid advice.

[subsin 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)UTG ($99)UTG+1 ($46.70)MP1 ($72.35)Hero ($121)MP3 ($40)CO ($242.50)Button ($17.20)SB ($65.20)BB ($99)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q , Q . MP3 posts a blind of $1. 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.Flop: ($25.50) 3 , 5 , J (2 players)BB bets $18, Hero calls $18.Turn: ($61.50) 9 (2 players)BB bets $69 (All-In)...This is literally the villains first hand at the table.I question how I played this whole hand with the exception of my first raise PF.- Zach

i think it smells like AK or a draw

[gooch 0]

i think it smells like AK or a draw

K Q would take this line I think

[Royal_Tour 0]

i dont like only calling the flop., but i'm a donkey

[reverbse 0]

i don´t mind the flop call.i doubt someone completely new to the table raises there without a very strong hand. he doesn´t know anything about you either and he´s raising oop. so i think AA, KK or AK. he might have jacks or tens but i don´t think too many people build a pot with these oop.if we minraise the flop we probably take it down if he´s holding AK, if not, we lose 36. by calling we only invest 18 and we get to see his turn action. on the turn pushing is pretty much his only option if he´s going to bet. but why would he do it with AK? he has to give us credit for some kind of hand when we call his flop bet, thus, i think he can´t expect us to fold on the turn often enough to make a bet of 69 to win 61 with A-high profitable.of course, maybe he´s just a donk, but vs an unknown i fold there.