Mtt Bankroll

[chessazhole 0]

I have 3,725 and only play in mt tournaments. Ive been looking all over the web for a bankroll guide, but there are no pages so I decided to ask you guys. How many buy-ins do I need to play a certain level? What is the range of tournaments I should play?

[Matty 0]

20X the tourney buy in should be enough. So if you play 20+2. A bakroll of $440 should be lots.

[Actuary 3]

20X the tourney buy in should be enough. So if you play 20+2. A bakroll of $440 should be lots.

really?have you done that over say 5000 MTT's?I would have no idea how to quantify a bankroll.your own style has a lot to do with it.

[Zach6668 513]

MTT players have told me 100 buyins..

[sdnuol 0]

chris ferguson says 100 maybe even 200 buyins for mtts. id go somewhere closer to 100 but whatever you are comfortable with.

[Sluggo 0]

100 is too round to be right.Regardless, your bankroll depends upon your outcome distribution.

[sdnuol 0]

Regardless, your bankroll depends upon your outcome distribution.

could you explainwhat this means?

[Actuary 3]

100 is too round to be right.Regardless, your bankroll depends upon your outcome distribution.

thus it's really impossible to nail down.So 100 is used, apparently.Who plays enough MTT's to really know?You can't play w/o the rollSee, it's like circular

[Sluggo 0]

Well, losing players need an infinite bankroll.Breakeven players need an astronomical bankroll.Significantly winning players need a bankroll of 50-500 buy ins.

[timwakefield 69]

20X the tourney buy in should be enough. So if you play 20+2. A bakroll of $440 should be lots.

That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Most mtts pay out about 10% of the field. This means that on average you will lose 9 straight games before you win 1. In your scenario 9 straight losses takes almost half you bankroll. Add in the fact that mtts are extremely top-heavy (so that cashing 1 out of 10 does not mean winning 10 buy-ins necessarily) and you can see how you will go broke extremely quickly playing $20 mtts with $400.

[bascomeb 0]

thus it's really impossible to nail down.So 100 is used, apparently.Who plays enough MTT's to really know?You can't play w/o the rollSee, it's like circular

When I was playing a lot of MTT's, I always made sure to have 100 buy ins. 50 is a lot to start out with but you should never move up until you have 100. And you should probably move down once you have 100 buy ins of the previous amount. There is sooooo much variance in MTT's that it really takes a while before that big cash to make up for all the sick bubbles you've received.

[sdnuol 0]

Well, losing players need an infinite bankroll.Breakeven players need an astronomical bankroll.Significantly winning players need a bankroll of 50-500 buy ins.

oh that was dumb easy how didnt i get that

[UncleHoot 0]

If all you do is play MTT's, in my opinion it's harder to get an impressive ROI (as opposed to SnG's), unless you've had some really good finishes.100x buy-in seems excessive to me. But I'm a winning player, so I just deposit more money when I need it, and take out some when I can. If I had a true "bankroll" at this point, it would be about $1,000, and I play mostly $10 MTT's*, SnG's and lower, so 100x should be very safe.*I've had my best luck with Party's 5-table SnG MTT's. Perhaps I'm not generally patient enough in other large MTT's...?

[Zach6668 513]

*I've had my best luck with Party's 5-table SnG MTT's. Perhaps I'm not generally patient enough in other large MTT's...?

The thing to realize is that the variance in a 50 person tournament is a lot less than the variance in a 2000 person tourney.You wouldn't really need 100 buyins for a 5-table MTT. Doesn't hurt, but it's probably not necessary.- Zach

[Royal_Tour 0]

The thing to realize is that the variance in a 50 person tournament is a lot less than the variance in a 2000 person tourney.You wouldn't really need 100 buyins for a 5-table MTT. Doesn't hurt, but it's probably not necessary.- Zach

exactly.You should also experiement with your idea to play only MTT's. If you cant final table 5% of the time,(i said 10% before, but thats just how i roll) i suggest stop wasting your money.

[sdnuol 0]

exactly.You should also experiement with your idea to play only MTT's. If you cant final table 5% of the time,(i said 10% before, but thats just how i roll) i suggest stop wasting your money.

is it agreed that you need to be ITM approx. 10% of the time to make any profits from playing strictly MTTs?

[meservery 0]

That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Most mtts pay out about 10% of the field. This means that on average you will lose 9 straight games before you win 1. In your scenario 9 straight losses takes almost half you bankroll. Add in the fact that mtts are extremely top-heavy (so that cashing 1 out of 10 does not mean winning 10 buy-ins necessarily) and you can see how you will go broke extremely quickly playing $20 mtts with $400.

you think thats crazy. i think hoyt corkins said you should by in for 10 percent of your role.

[Royal_Tour 0]

is it agreed that you need to be ITM approx. 10% of the time to make any profits from playing strictly MTTs?

Thats how i look at it, depending on which MTT's you'[re playing.when i went on a 2 month MTT only stretch i played about 30 MTT's, 15 a month, I think i made the money between 20-25% (which was a good run), and i quadrupled my original BR without any wins.I then spent a good chunk of it playing drunken cash games, which i learned my lesson the hard way, and also a couple larger buy in mtt's.so to answer the question, yes, you will need to make the money 10% of the time to profit, if you fail to do this, making a final table appearance at least 5% of the time should make up for it

[sdnuol 0]

Thats how i look at it, depending on which MTT's you'[re playing.when i went on a 2 month MTT only stretch i played about 30 MTT's, 15 a month, I think i made the money between 20-25% (which was a good run), and i quadrupled my original BR without any wins.I then spent a good chunk of it playing drunken cash games, which i learned my lesson the hard way, and also a couple larger buy in mtt's.so to answer the question, yes, you will need to make the money 10% of the time to profit, if you fail to do this, making a final table appearance at least 5% of the time should make up for it

thanks thats what i had always thought but never really confirmed it with anyone

[bascomeb 0]

is it agreed that you need to be ITM approx. 10% of the time to make any profits from playing strictly MTTs?

For MTTs your ROI% is much more important then your ITM%. It all depends on your strategy but how deep you go is more important the # of times you cash

[sdnuol 0]

For MTTs your ROI% is much more important then your ITM%. It all depends on your strategy but how deep you go is more important the # of times you cash

i know this but i was just wondering what that percent is usually. winning roi is a little higher than 10 isnt it like 12-15%?

[MR_BIZKITZ 0]

100 buyinsNO LESSI would play $5-30 tournys with that rollgl

[TheCorporation3 0]

chris ferguson says 100 maybe even 200 buyins for mtts. id go somewhere closer to 100 but whatever you are comfortable with.

That's what I was going to say. Ferguson said 200 to be safe, but atleast 100. Who ever said 20 was on crack, alot of crack.

[Abbaddabba 0]

Like with cash games, the number of buy ins is meaningless without other key figures.Most important is your winrate (ROI) and the number of tables.4 table tournaments are not directly comparable to 40 table tournaments.

[Actuary 3]

Like with cash games, the number of buy ins is meaningless without other key figures.Most important is your winrate (ROI) and the number of tables.4 table tournaments are not directly comparable to 40 table tournaments.

abba,tell me how you can establish a winrate or Variance in MTT's without first playing, oh I don't know, 50,000 of them at least.And how do you play w/o a roll?THe 100 is a general guide.Establishing a Roll for MTT's only is ludicrous, if you want the truth, and discussing the exact figure is nonsense. Not like you'd have 100 buy in s and lose 80 of them and not think you should probably reload a bit, just because somewhere you read 100 is right.use you head folks. Not you Abba.