Do You Defend With 98 Suited?

[CoranMoran 0]

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 9. 1 fold, MP raises, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.Flop: (6.50 SB) J, 6, T(3 players)Hero checks, MP bets, Button calls, Hero calls.Turn: (4.75 BB) 9(3 players)Hero checks, MP bets, Button raises, Hero calls, MP calls.River: (10.75 BB) Q(3 players)Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets, Hero calls ....============Flop:I would have been very content with missing the flop completely and folding immediately.But I didn't.My open ended straight draw induced me to call the flop.If I hit my Q, I still must fear AK.Turn:I am obviously behind on the turn.But now I may have as many as 13 outs. Though all of them may be completely and totally dirty.And I suppose that I could even be drawing dead.Can I really justify cold calling here?I hit on the river!But I act passively twice by checking and then only calling.Please advise on all streets.How do I play this silly hand?--cm

[Zach6668 513]

Preflop is great.I raise the flop.Take the free card on the turn usually, mmmmaybe bet out at the 9.As played, i probably fold to the raise on the turn cause our outs blow.- ZachEDIT - I suck at posting. We are oop, so I c/r the flop and lead the turn, call a raise, and c/c the river usually.

[Gooser 0]

scared of fully on the river? youre going in the whole time and calling hoping to get your straight...go for it and raise

[Zach6668 513]

scared of fully on the river? youre going in the whole time and calling hoping to get your straight...go for it and raise

Yuck. I'm going for overcalls all day long on the river, as played.We have the 8, and the board has the 9TJQ... a lot beats us, and it all 3-bets...

[Moneyball16 0]

I think you played this perfectly. With no overs or bdfd I like the c/c on the flop. If the pfr bet and the button folded I would be more inclined to c/r since I feel I would have some fold equity on either the flop or turn but in this case I feel calling is better because it allows for you to punish both players for 2 bets if you hit. If I was on the button for this hand it would be a easy raise but oop with only 8 outs to truly win against 2 opponents I like calling better.I think calling on the turn is okay.River is an easy situation to go for overcalls.Edit : Folding is probably actually the best play on the turn given the fact that we arent getting that great of a price for 10 outs and we may be drawing dead or many of of outs are dirty.

[TheCinciKid 0]

This is why playing draws out of position is so difficult. I actually think you played the hand fine. Pre-flop call is pretty much mandatory. On the flop, check/calling is probably best, your only other real option is to lead out and that probably doesn't have a ton of value. Turn, I might consider leading out here now that you'e picked up more outs, but again there's a decent chance you're behind and people probably aren't folding. I don't mind the check/call line. I think the cold-call is ok though the hand that I fear the most here is KQ (not AK). I'd certainly be tempted to dump a potentially dominated hand right here, but I don't hate the call. I think I like leading the river a bit better than check/calling. Though I don't mind the check/call that much.

[CoranMoran 0]

Yuck. I'm going for overcalls all day long on the river, as played.We have the 8, and the board has the 9TJQ... a lot beats us, and it all 3-bets...

At the time, I was really 2nd guessing my river play.I just hate being passive- it's not my style.But your logic is sound.

If the pfr bet and the button folded I would be more inclined to c/r since I feel I would have some fold equity on either the flop or turn

That would be a very expensive play though.He wouldn't be folding the flop, with position.And I would likely have to bluff through the river.And if I got raised on the turn or 3bet on the flop, I would have to keep putting in money.I like the semi-bluff raise when in position.But when out of position and against the PFR, it seems too costly.

This is why playing draws out of position is so difficult.

Yes indeedy!But does anyone fold this preflop?

I think I like leading the river a bit better than check/calling.

Calling a river raise from MP?What about a MP raise and a cold call from Button?

the hand that I fear the most here is KQ (not AK)

Very wise.--cm

[Moneyball16 0]

But does anyone fold this preflop?

I dont think anyone folds this preflop.

[Zach6668 513]

I dont think anyone folds this preflop.

QFT

[TheCinciKid 0]

Calling a river raise from MP?What about a MP raise and a cold call from Button?

Eh...that's what makes it hard. I'd probably end up betting then calling and hating myself when he shows me whatever he had that wins. I'll retract, I think I'm leaning back towards the check/call. Oh and btw, there's no way I'm ever folding this hand pre-flop. The only debatable street is the turn. I think a solid argument can be made for folding there, but I doubt I do it often. Reads would probably be the determining factor.

[GoingBusto 0]

PF = easy, easy call.Flop is a check/call, not a c/r. All your straight outs are not clean, you're OOP against only two opponents, and you have 0 fold equity.Turn is also a check/call.River is very, very much a call hoping for overcalls as Zach said. You can only gain one bet anyway if you raise, why not take the easy route and get it from the MP raiser without risking two? GB

[MrNiceGuy 0]

PF = easy, easy call.Flop is a check/call, not a c/r. All your straight outs are not clean, you're OOP against only two opponents, and you have 0 fold equity.Turn is also a check/call.River is very, very much a call hoping for overcalls as Zach said. You can only gain one bet anyway if you raise, why not take the easy route and get it from the MP raiser without risking two? GB

I agree. I think the only part of this hand that is questionable is whether to call or fold on the turn. We're getting 8-2 immediate pot odds, 9-2 if MP calls, and either 11-3 or 13-4 if MP raises I think we can give ourselves about 8 outs at best here (something like 1.5 9's, 2.5 Q's, 3.5 7's, and 0.5 8's), which would be a 5-1 shot. I think I'm finding a fold here, since our implied odds suck given our position, and our reverse implied odds are high. But I think it's close.

[TheCinciKid 0]

I agree. I think the only part of this hand that is questionable is whether to call or fold on the turn. We're getting 8-2 immediate pot odds, 9-2 if MP calls, and either 11-3 or 13-4 if MP raises I think we can give ourselves about 8 outs at best here (something like 1.5 9's, 2.5 Q's, 3.5 7's, and 0.5 8's), which would be a 5-1 shot. I think I'm finding a fold here, since our implied odds suck given our position, and our reverse implied odds are high. But I think it's close.

Good analysis. When we look back at it and break it down I think folding is probably best. In the heat of the moment I can't fault someone for calling though.