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#1 Pot Odds RAC

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 04:47 AM

Newb here!

Ok. I know I have a slight tendency to over play what I know is going to be my last hand of the night. Last week it was going down in flames with AA on the button to a guy who called a mid sized bet pre-flop bet with J9 and then flopped a straight.

This week...

Playing @ a local casino - $50/100 NL

Final hand of the nite for me.

Sitting on about $200 in chips. $100 up for the night which is not bad for a fairly new player like myself.

10 Players

Seat 6 - Hero ($200)
Seat 7 - Villan ($250)


Several Random Limpers

I look to see KK in the hole

I raise to $12 which is the standard "Limp Eliminator" raise at this table.

3 Call including our villan.

Flop 5/9/K Rainbow

Check to the Villlan - who has been playing pretty aggressive poker the past hour or so - and he raises to $15. Fold to hero who raises to $30. Villan Calls

Turn 8

Hero check to Villan who bets $25. Hero makes it $50. Villan Calls. I put him on a set of 9s

River A

Hero Bets $50. Villan raises all in. Hero Calls...





...I just read the posting guidelines about using a hand convertor and not posting results to get maximum feedback benefit. Sorry for the "Faux Pas". I'll try and learn to use a convertor and repost.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 05:11 AM

Converter is for online hand histories to make them readable.

I'll take a shot at the hand here....
WHY ARE YOU MIN RAISING HIM?
And the double check-raise once on the flop, and then again on the turn...
Don't do that...Once you c/r a guy on the flop and get called, you MUST
lead at the turn, especially one where you still hold the current nuts.

On the flop, lead out. If/when he raises you, raise him MORE then
just double what he raises you. You want a ton of money in this pot early.
As played by you, I might just flat call his flop bet, then lead the turn.

On the turn, lead at it again. If/when he raises you, if you are not already
all in, GET all in.
As played by you, I probably push or at least raise to $100 when he bets
the $25 on the turn.

By the river, you've horribly misplayed it, but you still have to call.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 05:16 AM

QUOTE (Pot Odds RAC @ Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 4:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Newb here!


Playing @ a local casino - $50/100 NL

Seat 6 - Hero ($200)


I was so confused at that point.

main thing in the entire thing... stop min raising


Why did we C/R the flop? Either Lead at it or C/C. C/Ring w/ top set on about as dry a board as you can find is just silly.

Whatever happens on the flop.... I'd either try to lead again or C/R depending on how strong I thought villian was.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 05:23 AM

Good advice guys.

The table had been playing pretty tight so I was trying to keep action alive with the min raises.

At the casino where I play the $50/100 Table refers to the Min/Max Buy-in when you get down to the felt. So the only way to have more than $100 is to earn it. You can't take $ off the table. The blinds are $1 & $2. Sorry for the confusion.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 06:07 AM

Dont min raise flop. Min raising....is just not a play anyone likes to utilize. At least go 35. If you put him on a set of 9s, why not just push, he's calling. The c/r on the turn was quite funny.
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#6 Pot Odds RAC

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 06:30 AM

Yeah. Guess I was a little too cute for my own good.

btw - it turned out that I did not have the current nuts on the turn...

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 06:46 AM

QUOTE (Pot Odds RAC @ Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 6:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah. Guess I was a little too cute for my own good.

btw - it turned out that I did not have the current nuts on the turn...


Yes sorry, missed the straight.
and yes, FPS I think became a big factor here.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 07:26 AM

QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 6:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes sorry, missed the straight.
and yes, FPS I think became a big factor here.



Yeah, I sort of missed the straight too...

...it didn't miss me.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 09:35 AM

What a fantastic board for someone with a gutshot draw that hit.


OP, you need to learn how to bet more effectively. Do some browsing around the forums.

Did you announce "last hand" before it?
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 09:51 AM

Yeah. Not exactly "Bad Beat" material, but still...

And, yes, I am still tinkering with my game. I seem to do pretty well with good instincts, patient play, and and good knowledge of odds - but I know I still have some holes to plug. Seems like a great forum to help with that.

No, I did not announce "Last Hand"




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