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#1 STYLINHAWYN

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 06:28 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB (t46435)
Hero (t145349)
UTG (t86696)
MP1 (t95927)
MP2 (t88351)
CO (t233620)
Button (t199938)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
1 fold, MP1 raises to t22327, 1 fold, CO calls t22327, 2 folds,



whats the right play here?

1. I guess a flat call would be the safe route and try to hit a ace or king on the flop and play from there... but i just think thats weak.

2. reraise 3-4x the 22k and hope everyone folds... or i can still get away from my hand if i encounter more resistance from chipleader.

3. or just go all-in and try to push everyone out?


and this is how the hand actually played out... i reraised to 75k. initial raiser folded instantly, and chipleader ran his clock all the way down to the last second of his 60 second clock before going all-in. pot is 193k and it costs me 70k more to call, odds of about 2.5 to 1... right?

easy call? how should i have played this?

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 07:11 PM

What were the blinds?
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Posted 16 August 2006 - 08:43 PM

re-raising to 75k is pointless, if either re-raise allin, you have to call. So give them a deciiosn to make if they have JJ or TT, or maybe even AK. Just push

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 10:39 PM

QUOTE (monix @ Wednesday, August 16th, 2006, 7:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What were the blinds?


4k/8k with a 200 ante.


QUOTE (XXEddie @ Wednesday, August 16th, 2006, 8:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
re-raising to 75k is pointless, if either re-raise allin, you have to call. So give them a deciiosn to make if they have JJ or TT, or maybe even AK. Just push


I thought about it (pushing in) for a while and thought he could easily put me on a weak hand trying to push people out of the hand. But then again, he wouldn't be getting the right odds to call with a pocket pair below Queens... but he still might call figuring its a coin flip.

and I also don't like pushing because he could be slow rolling aces or kings here (unlikely... but it happens) and I am almost guaranteed to lose the hand. We still have a lot of chips and I don't think pushing in because im scared to play post-flop is the best way to handle this situation.

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I thought about it for a while and came to the conclusion that I should have been playing small ball (keeping the pot small) against another chip leader. If i miss the flop, then i can just fold or go for a steal later in the hand. but at least id be preserving a chip lead and can use my chips to outplay my oponnents in future hands.

another bad play that could have possibly costed me a $4,500 1st prize. I think i got too caught up in stealing pots the last few rounds that I thought I could do it again. I need to figure out how to change gears deep in MTT's...

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 05:36 AM

QUOTE (STYLINHAWYN @ Wednesday, August 16th, 2006, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
4k/8k with a 200 ante.
I thought about it (pushing in) for a while and thought he could easily put me on a weak hand trying to push people out of the hand. But then again, he wouldn't be getting the right odds to call with a pocket pair below Queens... but he still might call figuring its a coin flip.

and I also don't like pushing because he could be slow rolling aces or kings here (unlikely... but it happens) and I am almost guaranteed to lose the hand. We still have a lot of chips and I don't think pushing in because im scared to play post-flop is the best way to handle this situation.

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I thought about it for a while and came to the conclusion that I should have been playing small ball (keeping the pot small) against another chip leader. If i miss the flop, then i can just fold or go for a steal later in the hand. but at least id be preserving a chip lead and can use my chips to outplay my oponnents in future hands.

another bad play that could have possibly costed me a $4,500 1st prize. I think i got too caught up in stealing pots the last few rounds that I thought I could do it again. I need to figure out how to change gears deep in MTT's...


How many were left at this point and how many payed out, etc? I think your at the FT, but not sure

With 2 opponents, I think a flat call would be pretty good here..Your first to act, and if you hit either hole card, your going all the way w/ the hand...If these players are agressive and you think will put in a c/bet, you can c/r all in..If you miss the flop, you have little invested and can easily get rid of the hand..

It really depends on what stage of the tourney you are in here..If you are late in the tourney, I would be more likely to flat call and play a flop..Racing at the FT against another chip leader isn't fun
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 12:31 PM

QUOTE (throwemaway @ Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 5:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Racing at the FT against another chip leader isn't fun


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Posted 17 August 2006 - 12:46 PM

W/o a read, I push.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 05:10 PM

Easy push in my opinion. You have a top 5 hand against two players who aren't showing any particular strength, and smooth-calling will take 15% of your stack. This is actually an ideal situation for a push in that you still have lots of fold equity against hands you'd be racing with, but you don't have so many chips that you're risking more than your chips are worth.

Also remember that the fact that you're a big stack gives you bonus FE against the chipleader and if you win this pot all-in, you'll probably be able to bully your way to a victory.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 05:41 PM

Flat call or push, a middling raise doesnt seem like it can gain much. OOP I would lean toward the push.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 07:55 PM

I think a push is the best play. You have lots of fold equity, and are likely racing if anybody calls (you can be confident that CO doesn't have KK or AA obviously).

As you played it, you have to call the push from CO. It's almost certainly a coinflip or better for you and you've already committed half your stack. Folding to CO here is out of the question, which is why pushing is better than raising to 75K - more fold equity.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 08:32 PM

Easy push.

Although raising to 75k can show strength, because you are committing yourself and your opponents know that, so they are likely to react in the same way they would if you went all in. It seems like no matter what you raise here, you are getting it all in, because your opponents would put you all in if they choose to play.

Am I right?




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