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[SCYUKON]

Hey Daniel - with your addiction to golf in full flight, and obviously the urge to improve quite rampant, check out this website:

http://aperfectswing.com

I have been a golf swing junkie for 25 of the 30 years I have been playing the game. Have studied about every method in vogue since 1980 or so (tried to learn George Knudsen's Natural Golf Swing for 8 years! Tell me you know who George Knudsen is!)

At any rate, this method is so simple, and goes against most conventional advice. It is 1 fellow's attempt to describe and teach the swing of Mike Austin, the Guiness World record holder for long drive in competition, 564 yards at the age of 64 in 1974.

I have ordered all the books and DVDs from site, they are awesome. The key to this swing is simply that the forearms don't rotate, like in a conventional swing. It is more like a machine (think of how Iron Byron hits the ball - no forearm rotation there!).

At any rate, I am not a shill for this site, just a very satisfied customer. I have not stuck with a swing for more than a month in the last 30 years, until I found this swing last summer. Playing 8 times a year max (Edmonton - short season) I still managed to shoot 78 in the last game of the year last year.

At any rate, you seem to like to go against the grain and be open to new thoughts, so thought you might be interested in this swing method. Best of luck with your golf addiction (mine has been tempered severely by having kids, only now poker has filled a big part of that void! After the kids go to bed of course LOL).

One other benefit of this swing is that it is claimed to be easy on the back (I have never had trouble with it) which seems to be a concern for you of late per your video posts.

Too get an idea of the simplicity of this swing, hold a golf club parallel to the ground (toe of club sticking up) with your arms extended in front of you, now simply bend your left wrist back to the right (in the manner you might if you were going to backhand someone with your left hand). See how far the club goes (should be about 90 degrees). Now flap your wrists all the way back the other way (club should move about 180 degrees). The whole time the clubface stays square (would work great if ever had to hit a ball of the top of a 5 foot high tree!) This is one of the drills of the swing to get the feel for the hand movement. That is all that triggers your backswing by the way, that backflap of the wrists (wrists flap back and forth, NOT up and down like conventional swings).

The key is that the clubface never rotates (face stays square). Once the arms are lowered so that club is touching ground this same method can be done and swing lengthened by folding right elbow as if playing trombone (another visualization from the book). That is all that is required for backswing). Unflap hands to start downswing and hit the ball! Should go straight and have no clubface rotation.

At any rate, this is not doing the method any justice, just trying to give you some movements to try out to help you understand what swing is getting at re the clubshaft never rotating and the face staying square at all times (and hence never needing to be squared up at contact).

Quite the long post, sorry, but if it helps your golf game, so that you can take some more $$$$$ of your buddies, its all good. I certainly can't give you any advice on poker, but do have 30 years of golf under my belt, so what the heck.

SCYukon

ps 2 of his recent converts came in 1/2 in the Senior Division of the Remax Long Drive Championship last year, held in October I believe in Mesquite. So you can always scoot down there and talk with these guys this coming October if need pointers!

[Oziumrules]

Basically take 2 weeks off, then quit.

[nutzbuster]

Basically take 2 weeks off, then quit.

BAHWAHHAAAAA!!!!


Me thinks Daniel is well on track, with unlimited Summerlin TPC range balls and one on one Caddy/pro assistance every time he goes out.


...and that back stretcher thingy contraption.


...and the medicus! (did he ever get the David Duval weighted club swing thing?)


I'm playing the Westin La Paloma this weekend in Tucson. Anytime you guys are out there it's a must play. Reminds me alot of TPC Canyons. Just geawgeous!



Hit em straight!

[SCYUKON]

Basically take 2 weeks off, then quit.

You are standing too close to the ball................after you hit it!

p.s. Do we need to make this thread more FCP worthy by pondering how big DN's golf betting bankroll is???? Seems everyother thread has something on that...........sigh.

[SCYUKON]

Hopefully DN is out tearing it up on the links today collecting BEEG BUCKS from his pals with his new swing. LOL Dare to dream......

ESPN: So it was you Yukon who guided DN onto the PGA tour, giving up a lucrative poker career in the process?

Yukon: Well what the heck, just one Canuck looking out for another. When DN is on, there is no better golfer in the world, including Tiger....

p.s. not trying to start anything, but I heard Tiger was talking trash about your golf game on HIS website

[SCYUKON]

So......... has anyone tried this swing method out yet?????

Curious to see if it works as well for others as it has for me. Nothing sweeter than hitting Sand Wedge into a Par 5! Although I suppose being called with bullets on an allin push may be close.....

[SCYUKON]

Dude - I'm telling ya - if you are in the mumble shed about your swing (that mental place where we mumble about what the heck is going on!) as your latest post seems to indicate, check that website out.

Anyways, whatever you decide, best of luck. And you think Poker takes a long time to figure out. LOL - its nothing compared to a repeatable golf swing!

[dbrent2]

Basically take 2 weeks off, then quit.

To get my swing out of a rut, I started hitting balls on the range left handed. It made me think about my basics. It also kept me from over thinking my problem, which is LOFT (lack of f'ing talent)

[SCYUKON]

Perfect timing! Your golf game is in the crapper, you are LA for the WPT, and this dude teaches in the LA area. Why buy the books and vid when you can just ring him up and try a lesson.

Here is where he is located:

http://www.aperfectswing.com/about.html

Give it a try, might be the key to getting that 600k back plus interest...

Good Luck at the Bike.

SC

[nutzbuster]

Regarding the WPT...

"This fight isn't a fight for the poker world's well being, not at all. This is a fight being initiated by a group of people who seemed to have forgotten where they came from."

Truer words were never spoken. Any guess on how this will end?


Sorry about the golf, like a bad run of cards. Just take some time off to forget the bad habits and then get with a good pro and back to basics.

You'll get it back Daniel. Too many cooks spoil the soup, so try to ignore all of the advice here (no offense to anyone). You need to work it out at the range with just one pro.

Good luck man.

And best of luck in LA.

And Happy Birthday Lori!

[Oziumrules]

Regarding the WPT...

"This fight isn't a fight for the poker world's well being, not at all. This is a fight being initiated by a group of people who seemed to have forgotten where they came from."

Truer words were never spoken. Any guess on how this will end?
Sorry about the golf, like a bad run of cards. Just take some time off to forget the bad habits and then get with a good pro and back to basics.

You'll get it back Daniel. Too many cooks spoil the soup, so try to ignore all of the advice here (no offense to anyone). You need to work it out at the range with just one pro.
Good luck man.

And best of luck in LA.

And Happy Birthday Lori!

Us PGA Pro's call it "Paralysis by Analysis"
Try not to read too many Golf Digest quick fix tips for your golf swing (full swing). The short game tips are OK.

[SCYUKON]

You'll get it back Daniel. Too many cooks spoil the soup, so try to ignore all of the advice here (no offense to anyone). You need to work it out at the range with just one pro.

Exactly, and it is quite obvious that the pros that have been filling DN's head with advice on swing plane, reverse pivot, etc, just ain't getting the job done (no offense to anyone). That is why I am suggesting an alternate approach, which, if you take the time to do the research (try it yourself), works quite well.

SC,

[scgolfer]

I am going to have him all set up when he gets back from "the legends of poker"
We are going to get him set up with good fundamentals, starting with a good set-up and moving on from there.

It will be a little golf camp, getting him on the right track.

Shane

[SCYUKON]

I am going to have him all set up when he gets back from "the legends of poker"
We are going to get him set up with good fundamentals, starting with a good set-up and moving on from there.

It will be a little golf camp, getting him on the right track.

Shane

I know I know, proper grip, proper stance, proper alignment, swing within a barrel, tempo, arm swing, wrist ****, shoulder rotation, knee flex, spine tilt, straight left arm, grip pressure, keep your head steady, all the standard blather that has been propogated for God only knows how long. Been there done that for about 30 years through Leadbetter, Haney, Knudsen, AJ, Ballard you name it. No repeatable powerful swing til I tried this method out. Such a joy to play golf rather than play golf swing.

So the cycle will start over again. At the end of the day, it is all about squaring up the clubface at impact because that is all that really matters.

The entire reason I suggested this website for DN to check out is that it does not get into all this blather, is much easier to learn, and ultimately takes a lot of the timing out of the swing since the goal is to eliminate shaft rotation, hence keeping the clubface square to the ball for a long time, making it easier to hit a straight shot, whilst thinking of only simple body movements.

Are you the guy that goes out with DN when he is playing for cash and tells him to go for it out of the rough from 250 on par 5's? No wonder he is down 600k. For a guy shooting low 100's, going for it from 250 should never be an option, two 125 7 irons will do just fine, to keep those 10's off the scorecard.

Perhaps the focus for you should be more on course management and less on fundamentals. If DN was trying to get on tour fine give him the full meal deal and keep at it 24/7. But you may want to consider this shortcut to an easier to learn more repeatable swing, and then work heavily on course management.

Let's see what happens. Good Luck.

SC

[nutzbuster]

I am going to have him all set up when he gets back from "the legends of poker"
We are going to get him set up with good fundamentals, starting with a good set-up and moving on from there.

It will be a little golf camp, getting him on the right track.

Shane

Right on .

[scgolfer]

Thanks for the reply Nutz.

And for SC, thanks but I do know what im doing.

BTW did I take a shot at you or your golf ideas? I dont think so.

No I have not been helping Daniel thus far. He and I have been trying to set up a time for lessons for a couple of months but due to us being in the WSOP for the past month, we were not able to get it in. As he mentioned in his blog.

Do I believe the there is any one way to play good golf? No

I totally agree that the clubface has to be square at impact. Are there many ways for this to happen? Yep

Is the way many of the good teachers you mentioned teach correct? Yes, but not for everyone.

Is your way correct? Yes and No

If it was the BEST, every tour player would be doing. They are not.

Do I think Daniel is tour calibre? No I dont.

A good professional teaches each student personally, to which way he/she learns. By telling the student verbally what to do,or visually showing the student what to do, or moving the student to do the correct motions.
They also dont teach an exact method to each student.
There are some fundamentals that every student must have. And in the end you need a repeatable way to bring the club to square impact with as much speed as possible.

Do I believe that he has had great teachers thus far? Not by what I have seen.
There are good teachers and bad, as in anything else.

Im of the opinion that he needs a series of lessons, "a camp of sorts" if he want to improve to the point he wants. He needs help in all areas including course management. The tough part of this is with his schedule and commitments it is hard for him to find time to get lessons and be able to practice to get to the point he wants. My guess is that his "schedule" is the only thing that could hold him back from being the golfer he wants to be.

Do I think I can get him to be much better? Yes I do.

[SCYUKON]

Do I think I can get him to be much better? Yes I do.

Well as I said above, good luck to you. Glad to hear you are not the one telling DN to "go for it" from the rough. Will be curious to see if you are more effective than DNs past teachers. Time will tell. Again, good luck to you.

SC

[SCYUKON]

The tough part of this is with his schedule and commitments it is hard for him to find time to get lessons and be able to practice to get to the point he wants. My guess is that his "schedule" is the only thing that could hold him back from being the golfer he wants to be.

And here you nail the exact reason I suggested this method to DN in the first place. As explained in my original post on this thread, I too am time challenged and am lucky to play 6 rounds in a summer. Hence the need for an easy to repeat swing without the need for a lot of practice. Hence the suggestion to look into this alternate method, which in my opinion is not as 'labor intensive" to learn.

But once again, good luck to you. Perhaps you will be the answer.

SC

[Oziumrules]

And here you nail the exact reason I suggested this method to DN in the first place. As explained in my original post on this thread, I too am time challenged and am lucky to play 6 rounds in a summer. Hence the need for an easy to repeat swing without the need for a lot of practice. Hence the suggestion to look into this alternate method, which in my opinion is not as 'labor intensive" to learn.

But once again, good luck to you. Perhaps you will be the answer.

SC

Bowling is the answer

[quadaces]

BAHWAHHAAAAA!!!!
Me thinks Daniel is well on track, with unlimited Summerlin TPC range balls and one on one Caddy/pro assistance every time he goes out.

If your listening to your caddy for swing advise you know its reallly bad.